1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.BZ 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.BZ 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:13,012 (acoustic guitar strums "LA Freeway") 4 00:00:13,054 --> 00:00:16,712 (car doors slam) 5 00:00:17,732 --> 00:00:21,399 (engine starts and rumbles) 6 00:00:27,426 --> 00:00:31,521 ♪ Pack up all your dishes ♪ 7 00:00:31,563 --> 00:00:35,673 ♪ Make note of all good wishes ♪ 8 00:00:35,715 --> 00:00:39,838 ♪ Say goodbye to the landlord for me ♪ 9 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:44,017 ♪ That son of a bitch has always bored me ♪ 10 00:00:44,059 --> 00:00:48,205 ♪ Throw out them L.A. papers ♪ 11 00:00:48,247 --> 00:00:52,685 ♪ And that moldy box of Vanilla Wafers ♪ 12 00:00:52,727 --> 00:00:56,554 ♪ Adios to all this concrete ♪ 13 00:00:56,596 --> 00:01:01,596 ♪ Gonna get me some dirt road back streets ♪ 14 00:01:03,908 --> 00:01:08,287 ♪ If I can just get off of this L.A. freeway ♪ 15 00:01:08,329 --> 00:01:11,593 ♪ Without gettin' killed or caught ♪ 16 00:01:11,635 --> 00:01:13,037 (engine roars) 17 00:01:13,079 --> 00:01:16,187 ♪ Down that road in a cloud of smoke ♪ 18 00:01:16,229 --> 00:01:20,187 ♪ To some land I ain't bought, bought, bought ♪ 19 00:01:20,229 --> 00:01:25,141 ♪ And it's, here's to you old Skinny Dennis ♪ 20 00:01:25,183 --> 00:01:29,718 ♪ The only one I think I will miss ♪ 21 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,766 ♪ I can hear that old bass singin' ♪ 22 00:01:33,808 --> 00:01:37,837 ♪ Sweet and low like a gift you're bringin' ♪ 23 00:01:37,879 --> 00:01:41,959 ♪ Oh, Susanna, don't you cry, babe ♪ 24 00:01:42,001 --> 00:01:45,942 ♪ Love's a gift that surely handmade ♪ 25 00:01:45,984 --> 00:01:50,218 ♪ We got somethin' to believe in ♪ 26 00:01:50,260 --> 00:01:55,260 ♪ Don't you think it's time we're leavin'? ♪ 27 00:01:57,655 --> 00:02:01,897 ♪ If I can just get off of this L.A. freeway ♪ 28 00:02:01,939 --> 00:02:06,421 ♪ Without gettin' killed or caught ♪ 29 00:02:06,463 --> 00:02:09,510 ♪ Down that road in a cloud of smoke ♪ 30 00:02:09,552 --> 00:02:13,367 ♪ To some land I ain't bought ♪ 31 00:02:13,409 --> 00:02:16,492 (car engine rumbles) 32 00:02:19,060 --> 00:02:23,810 (acoustic guitar strums "LA Freeway") 33 00:02:29,539 --> 00:02:32,622 (car engine rumbles) 34 00:02:52,455 --> 00:02:54,954 (car engine stops) 35 00:02:54,996 --> 00:02:57,480 (car headlights switch clicks) 36 00:02:57,522 --> 00:02:59,350 (audience cheers and applauds) 37 00:02:59,392 --> 00:03:02,361 - I'm proud to present the ASCAP Lifetime Achievement Award 38 00:03:02,403 --> 00:03:05,051 to Guy Clark for his outstanding accomplishments 39 00:03:05,093 --> 00:03:08,926 as a songwriter, recording artist, and musical mentor 40 00:03:08,968 --> 00:03:11,268 in the field of country music. 41 00:03:11,310 --> 00:03:15,227 (audience cheers and applauds) 42 00:03:17,233 --> 00:03:18,149 - Thank you. 43 00:03:18,191 --> 00:03:19,061 Thank you very much. 44 00:03:19,103 --> 00:03:23,686 This is (exhales loudly) breathtaking. 45 00:03:25,378 --> 00:03:28,020 Susanna, my wife, Susanna, and I 46 00:03:28,062 --> 00:03:30,062 moved here 27 years ago. 47 00:03:32,343 --> 00:03:36,801 I figure, another 10 or 15, I'll probably break even. 48 00:03:36,843 --> 00:03:39,676 (audience laughs) 49 00:03:43,724 --> 00:03:45,516 (Guy laughs) 50 00:03:45,558 --> 00:03:48,146 Without wonderful friends like these, 51 00:03:48,188 --> 00:03:50,521 Rodney, and Lyle, and Vince, 52 00:03:53,247 --> 00:03:55,739 a thousand others, too numerous to mention, 53 00:03:55,781 --> 00:03:56,864 this wouldn't be possible, 54 00:03:56,906 --> 00:03:59,060 and especially without Susanna. 55 00:03:59,102 --> 00:04:00,204 Thank you very much. 56 00:04:00,246 --> 00:04:03,948 (audience cheers and applauds) 57 00:04:03,990 --> 00:04:06,689 - Guy was madly in love with Susanna, 58 00:04:06,731 --> 00:04:09,823 because she challenged him all the time. 59 00:04:09,865 --> 00:04:13,130 You know, he couldn't get anything over on her, 60 00:04:13,172 --> 00:04:17,005 and he was confident enough to just eat it up. 61 00:04:17,965 --> 00:04:18,825 - From my point of view, 62 00:04:18,867 --> 00:04:21,782 he was the smartest guy in the room, 63 00:04:21,824 --> 00:04:23,824 and when Townes came in, 64 00:04:25,585 --> 00:04:26,947 you know, it was a toss up 65 00:04:26,989 --> 00:04:31,156 between who was the smartest guy in the room then. 66 00:04:32,005 --> 00:04:33,440 Susanna would tell ya 67 00:04:33,482 --> 00:04:36,648 she was the smartest person in the room. 68 00:04:36,690 --> 00:04:38,758 - I would suspect, Guy Clark came out of the womb 69 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,413 knowing exactly who he was. 70 00:04:41,455 --> 00:04:45,370 You know, he just had that aura about him that was, 71 00:04:45,412 --> 00:04:48,214 it was commanding. (upbeat instrumental "Rita Ballou") 72 00:04:48,256 --> 00:04:52,738 ♪ Hill country honky-tonkin' Rita Ballou ♪ 73 00:04:52,780 --> 00:04:55,272 ♪ Every beer joint in town ♪ 74 00:04:55,314 --> 00:04:58,516 ♪ Has played the fool for you ♪ 75 00:04:58,558 --> 00:05:02,988 ♪ Backslidin' barrel ridin' Rita Ballou ♪ 76 00:05:03,030 --> 00:05:05,492 ♪ There ain't a cowboy in Texas ♪ 77 00:05:05,534 --> 00:05:07,636 ♪ Would not ride a bull for you ♪ 78 00:05:07,678 --> 00:05:08,469 ♪ All right ♪ 79 00:05:08,511 --> 00:05:11,208 - Another thing about Guys is, 80 00:05:11,250 --> 00:05:12,936 he's a real good driver. 81 00:05:12,978 --> 00:05:15,522 We play a lot together, 82 00:05:15,564 --> 00:05:19,838 and we rent cars, and he has yet to let me drive. 83 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:21,793 He will not let me drive, 84 00:05:21,835 --> 00:05:24,752 and I'm an expert driver, you know? 85 00:06:03,905 --> 00:06:06,807 (tape recorder whirs and clicks) 86 00:06:06,849 --> 00:06:08,509 - [Susanna] Okay, TR. 87 00:06:08,551 --> 00:06:10,157 I'm Susanna Clark. 88 00:06:10,199 --> 00:06:15,009 I grew up an Okie debutante from a high society, 89 00:06:15,051 --> 00:06:18,051 artistic, and very religious family. 90 00:06:20,181 --> 00:06:23,579 I have eight siblings, and we're all close. 91 00:06:23,621 --> 00:06:26,135 I even shared an apartment with my sister, Bunny, 92 00:06:26,177 --> 00:06:29,264 while we worked at our family's art center. 93 00:06:29,306 --> 00:06:31,481 But now, I live in Nashville with my husband Guy, 94 00:06:31,523 --> 00:06:34,126 and our best friend, Townes Van Zandt. 95 00:06:34,168 --> 00:06:35,806 Guy and I paint, 96 00:06:35,848 --> 00:06:38,385 and all three of us write songs. 97 00:06:38,427 --> 00:06:40,613 We're starving artists, (Susanna laughs) 98 00:06:40,655 --> 00:06:42,548 but we have each other. 99 00:06:42,590 --> 00:06:44,731 (guitar strums an upbeat "South Coast of Texas") 100 00:06:44,773 --> 00:06:48,492 Guy and Townes became best friends down in Texas 101 00:06:48,534 --> 00:06:50,207 back in the mid-'60s. 102 00:06:50,249 --> 00:06:54,249 Houston was like the Greenwich Village of Texas. 103 00:06:55,088 --> 00:06:56,746 - [Guy] Jerry Jeff was around, 104 00:06:56,788 --> 00:07:00,121 and Townes was around, and pretty crazy. 105 00:07:01,175 --> 00:07:04,959 When I first met Townes, it was mid-'60s, I guess, 106 00:07:05,001 --> 00:07:07,666 and we were all playing at the coffee house 107 00:07:07,708 --> 00:07:09,647 called Sand Mountain Coffee House, 108 00:07:09,689 --> 00:07:11,132 which just served coffee, 109 00:07:11,174 --> 00:07:13,770 and there was also a place called the Jester, 110 00:07:13,812 --> 00:07:15,270 which was a bar, bar. 111 00:07:15,312 --> 00:07:18,110 Singers, and songwriters, and folk singers 112 00:07:18,152 --> 00:07:20,435 could get on stage behind a microphone, 113 00:07:20,477 --> 00:07:22,893 and play for the folks, you know? 114 00:07:22,935 --> 00:07:25,858 That was the goal, to get an audience, 115 00:07:25,900 --> 00:07:27,983 express yourself to them. 116 00:07:29,969 --> 00:07:33,523 When I met Townes, I think he'd written two or three songs. 117 00:07:33,565 --> 00:07:36,938 He was the first guy I ran across who was doing this, 118 00:07:36,980 --> 00:07:40,768 who had a real grasp of the English language. 119 00:07:40,810 --> 00:07:44,182 He was a storyteller, you know? 120 00:07:44,224 --> 00:07:47,983 Anyway, I'd never really run across anyone quite like that. 121 00:07:48,025 --> 00:07:49,707 And we became friends, 122 00:07:49,749 --> 00:07:52,957 'cause we kinda had the same sense of humor. 123 00:07:52,999 --> 00:07:56,238 I think he liked my song writing, as I did his. 124 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,999 (guitar strums an upbeat "South Coast of Texas") 125 00:07:59,041 --> 00:08:01,764 - [Susanna] Guy had a day job at a TV station, 126 00:08:01,806 --> 00:08:04,159 and he built and fixed guitars, 127 00:08:04,201 --> 00:08:06,823 but all he really wanted to do was write songs. 128 00:08:06,865 --> 00:08:09,342 Around this time, Guy met Susan Spaw. 129 00:08:09,384 --> 00:08:10,731 She was a folk singer. 130 00:08:10,773 --> 00:08:13,000 Guy was 24, Susan was 18. 131 00:08:13,042 --> 00:08:16,227 They got married in June of 1966. 132 00:08:16,269 --> 00:08:17,272 They had to get married, 133 00:08:17,314 --> 00:08:19,352 because Susan was expecting Guy's baby, 134 00:08:19,394 --> 00:08:22,697 and, of course, Guy was gonna do the right thing. 135 00:08:22,739 --> 00:08:27,450 Six months later, their son, Travis Carroll Clark, was born. 136 00:08:27,492 --> 00:08:29,769 - [Guy] That was about the time I got a job 137 00:08:29,811 --> 00:08:34,228 as the assistant art director at Channel 13 in Houston 138 00:08:35,191 --> 00:08:38,591 - [Susanna] In 1969, I was living in Oklahoma City 139 00:08:38,633 --> 00:08:39,861 with my sister. 140 00:08:39,903 --> 00:08:41,033 - [Guy] Hmm. 141 00:08:41,075 --> 00:08:44,950 I had gone to Oklahoma City to see her sister, Bunny, 142 00:08:44,992 --> 00:08:47,118 and I had met her at a club. 143 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,971 Townes and I were playing in a place in Oklahoma City 144 00:08:50,013 --> 00:08:51,771 called the Sword and Stone. 145 00:08:51,813 --> 00:08:54,633 Townes and I made a deal to come hang out on Sunday, 146 00:08:54,675 --> 00:08:57,502 just go over to her apartment and visit. 147 00:08:57,544 --> 00:09:00,806 Well, we went over there, and she said, 148 00:09:00,848 --> 00:09:02,611 "My sister's coming by", 149 00:09:02,653 --> 00:09:05,291 and her sister was Susanna. 150 00:09:05,333 --> 00:09:07,558 That was the first time I had met her. 151 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,149 - [Susanna] I walked into my living room 152 00:09:09,191 --> 00:09:12,226 where Guy and Townes sat on my couch. 153 00:09:12,268 --> 00:09:15,018 They looked exhausted and skinny. 154 00:09:16,026 --> 00:09:18,984 I asked them if they wanted vitamins. 155 00:09:19,026 --> 00:09:22,120 - [Guy] She came in, and we started talking about painting. 156 00:09:22,162 --> 00:09:23,774 - [Susanna] I was painting a prairie. 157 00:09:23,816 --> 00:09:26,633 I got stuck, and said half out loud, 158 00:09:26,675 --> 00:09:30,393 "I can't make the foreground come forward in this painting". 159 00:09:30,435 --> 00:09:33,223 Guy got up, and he walked over to me, and said, 160 00:09:33,265 --> 00:09:34,917 "You can do this, and that, 161 00:09:34,959 --> 00:09:37,204 and you can mix this color with that color". 162 00:09:37,246 --> 00:09:38,037 - [Guy] I told her, 163 00:09:38,079 --> 00:09:41,098 I thought she oughta put an elephant going over the hill, 164 00:09:41,140 --> 00:09:43,528 just his butt, you know? 165 00:09:43,570 --> 00:09:46,905 But she could paint, that was the thing. 166 00:09:46,947 --> 00:09:48,476 - [Susanna] I liked Guy. 167 00:09:48,518 --> 00:09:51,645 He knew somethin' about art, and that impressed me. 168 00:09:51,687 --> 00:09:56,687 He was also tall and handsome, (Susanna chuckles) 169 00:09:57,812 --> 00:10:00,914 Guy and Bunny tried to keep up a long-distance relationship. 170 00:10:00,956 --> 00:10:02,196 He came to visit Bunny. 171 00:10:02,238 --> 00:10:03,225 He wrote to her. 172 00:10:03,267 --> 00:10:05,471 He sent her small gifts. 173 00:10:05,513 --> 00:10:09,231 But back in Houston, Guy's life had fallen apart, 174 00:10:09,273 --> 00:10:12,431 and Susan took Travis, and left him. 175 00:10:12,473 --> 00:10:14,473 - [Guy] Man, I was lost, 176 00:10:15,343 --> 00:10:17,176 looking for something. 177 00:10:18,114 --> 00:10:21,850 And I had a friend who lives, Minor Wilson, 178 00:10:21,892 --> 00:10:24,301 who had a guitar shop in San Francisco. 179 00:10:24,343 --> 00:10:26,058 I just kinda moved in with him. 180 00:10:26,100 --> 00:10:31,022 You know, I slept in the shop on the vacant end of it, 181 00:10:31,064 --> 00:10:33,721 and just kinda worked with him 182 00:10:33,763 --> 00:10:37,775 building guitars for almost a year livin' there. 183 00:10:37,817 --> 00:10:39,564 At that time in '69, you know, 184 00:10:39,606 --> 00:10:42,754 there was a lot of drugs, and a lot of Hells Angels. 185 00:10:42,796 --> 00:10:47,232 I mean, it was too much for a country boy like me, 186 00:10:47,274 --> 00:10:49,449 (Guy chuckles) you know? 187 00:10:49,491 --> 00:10:51,832 (acoustic guitar strums "She Ain't Going Nowhere") 188 00:10:51,874 --> 00:10:54,255 I kinda needed to go back, to take care of my 189 00:10:54,297 --> 00:10:56,256 wife and child. 190 00:10:56,298 --> 00:10:59,843 But anyway, I was trying to be responsible, 191 00:10:59,885 --> 00:11:01,468 go back to Houston. 192 00:11:02,309 --> 00:11:04,378 - [Susanna] Bunny had problems of her own. 193 00:11:04,420 --> 00:11:06,535 She was pregnant, and miserable, 194 00:11:06,577 --> 00:11:09,452 and terrified to break the news to our mother. 195 00:11:09,494 --> 00:11:11,805 So when Guy asked Bunny to join him 196 00:11:11,847 --> 00:11:13,471 on the road trip back to Texas, 197 00:11:13,513 --> 00:11:16,247 she jumped at the chance to get away. 198 00:11:16,289 --> 00:11:17,431 - [Guy] What we decided to do, 199 00:11:17,473 --> 00:11:20,042 was to get a drive away car, 200 00:11:20,084 --> 00:11:21,847 and we drove across the 201 00:11:21,889 --> 00:11:24,672 Southwestern United States in that car. 202 00:11:24,714 --> 00:11:27,157 And at some point, we were... 203 00:11:27,199 --> 00:11:28,399 It was Arizona. 204 00:11:28,441 --> 00:11:30,941 There was a little Curio shop. 205 00:11:32,331 --> 00:11:34,049 I saw this ring. 206 00:11:34,091 --> 00:11:36,968 It just knocked me over, the design of it. 207 00:11:37,010 --> 00:11:40,343 Man, it just fit, like, perfect. 208 00:11:40,385 --> 00:11:43,594 - [Susanna] Bunny and Guy bought a turquoise ring 209 00:11:43,636 --> 00:11:45,969 that Guy would wear forever. 210 00:11:47,005 --> 00:11:48,605 It wasn't long after that trip 211 00:11:48,647 --> 00:11:51,998 that my beautiful sister, Bunny, killed herself. 212 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:53,983 (guitar strums "She Ain't Goin' Nowhere)" 213 00:11:54,025 --> 00:11:59,025 ♪ She ain't goin' nowhere, she's just leavin' ♪ 214 00:12:01,035 --> 00:12:06,035 ♪ She ain't goin' nowhere she can't breathe in ♪ 215 00:12:08,286 --> 00:12:12,439 ♪ And she ain't goin' home, and that's for sure ♪ 216 00:12:12,481 --> 00:12:15,524 - [Susanna] Guy wrote "She Ain't Goin' Nowhere" for Bunny. 217 00:12:15,566 --> 00:12:20,094 ♪ And she ain't goin' home, and that's for sure ♪ 218 00:12:20,136 --> 00:12:24,219 - [Susanna] It's his favorite song he ever wrote. 219 00:12:26,688 --> 00:12:27,913 I called Guy, 220 00:12:27,955 --> 00:12:31,164 and asked him to come to Oklahoma for the funeral. 221 00:12:31,206 --> 00:12:35,237 - [Guy] And that was very, very growing up. 222 00:12:35,279 --> 00:12:36,774 I'm not the only person that's gone through it, 223 00:12:36,816 --> 00:12:39,190 but it was serious. 224 00:12:39,232 --> 00:12:40,441 And it was, you know... 225 00:12:40,483 --> 00:12:43,186 I mean, it was very sad, 226 00:12:43,228 --> 00:12:47,444 you know, to have your sister blow her brains out, you know? 227 00:12:47,486 --> 00:12:49,655 That stuff happens. 228 00:12:49,697 --> 00:12:51,597 It's just part of being alive, you know, 229 00:12:51,639 --> 00:12:54,031 and going through this veil of tears. 230 00:12:54,073 --> 00:12:57,605 (somber acoustic guitar "She Ain't Going Nowhere") 231 00:12:57,647 --> 00:12:59,976 Susanna and I kinda migrated to one another 232 00:13:00,018 --> 00:13:01,865 during all of these 233 00:13:01,907 --> 00:13:05,195 goings on around Bunny's funeral. 234 00:13:05,237 --> 00:13:08,041 Susanna, for some reason, felt guilty about it. 235 00:13:08,083 --> 00:13:11,333 She thought it was her fault, you know? 236 00:13:12,213 --> 00:13:14,656 - [Susanna] We were heartbroken over Bunny's suicide, 237 00:13:14,698 --> 00:13:16,971 and Guy and I clung to each other. 238 00:13:17,013 --> 00:13:20,092 I was desperate to hold on to my sister, 239 00:13:20,134 --> 00:13:22,571 and Guy was the closest thing. 240 00:13:22,613 --> 00:13:26,030 In our grief over Bunny, we fell in love. 241 00:13:27,905 --> 00:13:31,601 - [Guy] I was just overjoyed to run into a woman, 242 00:13:31,643 --> 00:13:33,976 like Susanna, who was smart, 243 00:13:36,392 --> 00:13:40,475 was gifted, you know, and did something about it. 244 00:13:43,207 --> 00:13:46,624 It was just true love, I guess, you know? 245 00:13:49,177 --> 00:13:52,295 - [Susanna] After Bunny died, everything changed. 246 00:13:52,337 --> 00:13:56,046 There were so many reminders of my sister in Oklahoma City. 247 00:13:56,088 --> 00:13:59,057 I just wanted to start over. 248 00:13:59,099 --> 00:14:02,221 - [Guy] I was more than willing to move to Oklahoma City. 249 00:14:02,263 --> 00:14:04,142 All I wanted to do was be with her, 250 00:14:04,184 --> 00:14:06,391 and I don't care where it is, you know? 251 00:14:06,433 --> 00:14:09,869 So we just packed all her stuff in her car and my car, 252 00:14:09,911 --> 00:14:11,661 and moved to Houston. 253 00:14:13,419 --> 00:14:14,910 - [Susanna] When I moved to Houston, 254 00:14:14,952 --> 00:14:18,125 I did not know what I was getting myself into. 255 00:14:18,167 --> 00:14:20,622 Our house was a gathering place 256 00:14:20,664 --> 00:14:24,179 for stoners to drop in and get high. 257 00:14:24,221 --> 00:14:25,809 I painted while Guy went to work 258 00:14:25,851 --> 00:14:27,857 at the TV station every day. 259 00:14:27,899 --> 00:14:31,247 It was a terribly lonesome time for me. 260 00:14:31,289 --> 00:14:34,452 Guy is a stoic West Texas hard-ass, 261 00:14:34,494 --> 00:14:39,336 but he'd been close to Bunny, and that was our bond. 262 00:14:39,378 --> 00:14:41,011 Townes came over one day, 263 00:14:41,053 --> 00:14:43,496 wrapped me in a bear hug, and said, 264 00:14:43,538 --> 00:14:46,731 "If Guy loves you, then so do I". 265 00:14:46,773 --> 00:14:51,280 While Guy was distant and distracted, I leaned on Townes. 266 00:14:51,322 --> 00:14:53,572 He was sweet and attentive. 267 00:14:54,493 --> 00:14:56,183 - [Guy] And I'd been the art director 268 00:14:56,225 --> 00:14:59,427 for the CBS affiliate in Houston. 269 00:14:59,469 --> 00:15:01,319 You know, I was playing at night, 270 00:15:01,361 --> 00:15:03,114 and tryin' to write songs, 271 00:15:03,156 --> 00:15:05,845 and I finally just snapped, you know, 272 00:15:05,887 --> 00:15:06,894 and said, "I can't do this". 273 00:15:06,936 --> 00:15:09,038 "I'm gonna go be a songwriter." 274 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,386 I'm 30 years old, and if I don't do this, 275 00:15:11,428 --> 00:15:14,467 I will regret it for the rest of my life, 276 00:15:14,509 --> 00:15:16,514 or probably kill myself, you know? 277 00:15:16,556 --> 00:15:18,783 And I had met a couple of guys from Los Angeles 278 00:15:18,825 --> 00:15:21,588 who were traveling around, and looking for talent. 279 00:15:21,630 --> 00:15:24,148 So with just that much encouragement, 280 00:15:24,190 --> 00:15:25,633 Susanna and I packed up, 281 00:15:25,675 --> 00:15:28,925 and drove the VW bus all the way to LA. 282 00:15:30,902 --> 00:15:32,534 - [Susanna] We found a little guest house 283 00:15:32,576 --> 00:15:34,228 to rent in Long Beach. 284 00:15:34,270 --> 00:15:36,158 I painted and wrote songs. 285 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,242 Guy painted and wrote songs too, 286 00:15:38,284 --> 00:15:40,442 and tried to get a publishing deal. 287 00:15:40,484 --> 00:15:44,207 He wanted to make his living as a songwriter. 288 00:15:44,249 --> 00:15:46,650 - [Guy] I mean, when I first went to LA 289 00:15:46,692 --> 00:15:49,833 to try to get in the music business, I had no tapes. 290 00:15:49,875 --> 00:15:51,502 I would go to people's office 291 00:15:51,544 --> 00:15:54,575 and play my guitar for 'em, you know? 292 00:15:54,617 --> 00:15:57,996 And they were just like, wow, that's different. 293 00:15:58,038 --> 00:16:00,340 - [Susanna] After Townes followed us to Los Angeles 294 00:16:00,382 --> 00:16:01,747 to record an album, 295 00:16:01,789 --> 00:16:05,946 his girlfriend was murdered while hitchhiking around LA. 296 00:16:05,988 --> 00:16:07,626 Townes was grief-stricken, 297 00:16:07,668 --> 00:16:09,893 and it reminded me of Bunny. 298 00:16:09,935 --> 00:16:12,397 We sat together on the beach for days, 299 00:16:12,439 --> 00:16:14,863 and consoled each other. 300 00:16:14,905 --> 00:16:17,998 Guy finally landed a big publishing deal 301 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:19,873 with RCA in Nashville. 302 00:16:20,955 --> 00:16:24,591 Outlaw songwriters gravitated to Tennessee 303 00:16:24,633 --> 00:16:27,146 to be a part of that scene. 304 00:16:27,188 --> 00:16:30,183 - It was the counterpart to Los Angeles, 305 00:16:30,225 --> 00:16:32,849 in the way that a music mecca, 306 00:16:32,891 --> 00:16:35,124 or city, could be a community. 307 00:16:35,166 --> 00:16:37,166 - [Susanna] Kris Kristofferson, Mickey Newbury, 308 00:16:37,208 --> 00:16:38,886 and Willie Nelson were just killing it 309 00:16:38,928 --> 00:16:41,070 with their poetic songs. 310 00:16:41,112 --> 00:16:43,636 - People started to see the impact of songs 311 00:16:43,678 --> 00:16:46,389 that weren't little darlin' songs, as they call 'em. 312 00:16:46,431 --> 00:16:49,556 There was a little more thoughtful 313 00:16:49,598 --> 00:16:51,679 kind of songwriting going on. 314 00:16:51,721 --> 00:16:54,777 And I think seeing those kinds of things happen 315 00:16:54,819 --> 00:16:56,971 is inspiring to people that aren't 316 00:16:57,013 --> 00:16:59,718 trying to put on a rhinestone outfit, 317 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,677 and have a career as a singer of country songs. 318 00:17:05,195 --> 00:17:07,548 - [Susanna] Townes followed us to Nashville. 319 00:17:07,590 --> 00:17:11,107 We dragged a used mattress from a grocery store dumpster 320 00:17:11,149 --> 00:17:13,049 for him to sleep on. 321 00:17:13,091 --> 00:17:16,427 Guy and I got married, and Townes was our best man. 322 00:17:16,469 --> 00:17:18,348 He was with us on our wedding night, 323 00:17:18,390 --> 00:17:21,828 and lived with us for the next eight months. 324 00:17:21,870 --> 00:17:22,719 - [Guy] I think we might've gotten 325 00:17:22,761 --> 00:17:24,864 a pint of vodka or somethin', 326 00:17:24,906 --> 00:17:28,394 just 'cause we didn't wanna get too drunk. 327 00:17:28,436 --> 00:17:30,239 - [Susanna] Guy and I were married. 328 00:17:30,281 --> 00:17:32,954 Guy and Townes were best friends, 329 00:17:32,996 --> 00:17:35,663 but Townes and I were soulmates. 330 00:17:38,324 --> 00:17:40,574 Guy and Townes got the flu. 331 00:17:41,483 --> 00:17:43,621 They were such babies. (Susanna chuckles) 332 00:17:43,663 --> 00:17:45,694 So I took care of them 'em. 333 00:17:45,736 --> 00:17:46,728 While they slept, 334 00:17:46,770 --> 00:17:48,907 I started painting the bouncing apple, 335 00:17:48,949 --> 00:17:51,701 but I ran outta white paint. 336 00:17:51,743 --> 00:17:54,094 Townes got some money from his publisher, 337 00:17:54,136 --> 00:17:56,121 and bought paint for me. 338 00:17:56,163 --> 00:17:57,392 We didn't have money for food, 339 00:17:57,434 --> 00:17:59,521 but Townes wanted me to have paint. 340 00:17:59,563 --> 00:18:00,851 (Susanna chuckles) 341 00:18:00,893 --> 00:18:04,143 It's the most important I've ever felt. 342 00:18:05,217 --> 00:18:06,417 - [Guy] And that was one of the reasons 343 00:18:06,459 --> 00:18:10,484 that they were such good friends, you know? 344 00:18:10,526 --> 00:18:14,341 He knew what was most important to Susanna. 345 00:18:14,383 --> 00:18:18,405 - [Susanna] Townes and I live in a mystical world. 346 00:18:18,447 --> 00:18:21,114 One that Guy doesn't understand. 347 00:18:22,213 --> 00:18:24,528 He gets mad at us when we talk over his head. 348 00:18:24,570 --> 00:18:25,478 (Susanna laughs) 349 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:27,325 - [Guy] Yeah, one day in East Nashville, 350 00:18:27,367 --> 00:18:30,518 in the first little house we moved to, 351 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,490 something had pissed me off 352 00:18:32,532 --> 00:18:35,271 about the way Townes and Susanna 353 00:18:35,313 --> 00:18:38,750 were denigrating my intelligence, 354 00:18:38,792 --> 00:18:41,046 and I was offended. 355 00:18:41,088 --> 00:18:43,588 So I proceeded to just quietly 356 00:18:45,862 --> 00:18:49,108 go get a hammer and some nails. 357 00:18:49,150 --> 00:18:50,274 (objects clattering) 358 00:18:50,316 --> 00:18:51,107 I don't know. 359 00:18:51,149 --> 00:18:53,519 I just nailed myself in that front room. 360 00:18:53,561 --> 00:18:55,375 (knocking) 361 00:18:55,417 --> 00:18:57,461 - [Susanna] So he nailed himself in the room, 362 00:18:57,503 --> 00:18:59,346 and he nailed the window shut too. 363 00:18:59,388 --> 00:19:02,136 (mellow instrumental "Let Him Roll") 364 00:19:02,178 --> 00:19:05,243 ♪ So he died ♪ 365 00:19:05,285 --> 00:19:06,866 - [Susanna] Guy may have had a hissy fit, 366 00:19:06,908 --> 00:19:11,908 but he wrote "Let Him Roll" while he was in that room. 367 00:19:12,178 --> 00:19:16,625 ♪ Just let him roll ♪ 368 00:19:16,667 --> 00:19:18,280 ♪ Lord, let him roll ♪ 369 00:19:18,322 --> 00:19:19,454 - [Townes] Guy and I, one time, 370 00:19:19,496 --> 00:19:21,405 we were living together in Nashville, 371 00:19:21,447 --> 00:19:24,755 and our house was infested by mice. 372 00:19:24,797 --> 00:19:26,095 We got this system down, 373 00:19:26,137 --> 00:19:27,495 where Guy would get a broom, 374 00:19:27,537 --> 00:19:30,040 and I'd hide around the corner with a paper sack, 375 00:19:30,082 --> 00:19:32,211 and Guy would chase the mice down the hall. 376 00:19:32,253 --> 00:19:33,496 As soon as he'd hit the corner, 377 00:19:33,538 --> 00:19:36,191 he'd give 'em a lick with the broom into the sack. 378 00:19:36,233 --> 00:19:37,984 And we had a sack full of like, what? 379 00:19:38,026 --> 00:19:39,383 Eight mice. (Guy laughs) 380 00:19:39,425 --> 00:19:42,313 And we went down to a local pool room in Nashville, 381 00:19:42,355 --> 00:19:43,972 turned 'em loose on the pool table. 382 00:19:44,014 --> 00:19:46,054 Kinda like split through the pockets, right? 383 00:19:46,096 --> 00:19:47,633 (Guy laughs) Pew, pew, pew, pew. 384 00:19:47,675 --> 00:19:49,219 And some guys come, (balls clang) 385 00:19:49,261 --> 00:19:51,318 and started this game of 8-ball, 386 00:19:51,360 --> 00:19:53,363 and every time somebody would sink a ball 387 00:19:53,405 --> 00:19:55,468 in the pockets, you know, 388 00:19:55,510 --> 00:19:58,535 Susanna, Guy's wife, was, 389 00:19:58,577 --> 00:20:01,576 "Oh, no, oh, no!". 390 00:20:01,618 --> 00:20:03,394 She was like imagining all the little mice 391 00:20:03,436 --> 00:20:04,514 running around the tube, 392 00:20:04,556 --> 00:20:07,464 you know, the eight ball was right behind 'em. 393 00:20:07,506 --> 00:20:08,410 We finally had to leave. 394 00:20:08,452 --> 00:20:09,783 We had to take Susanna home. 395 00:20:09,825 --> 00:20:11,908 (Guy laughs) (Townes laughs) 396 00:20:11,950 --> 00:20:14,808 - [Guy] Yep, we know how to have a good time, 397 00:20:14,850 --> 00:20:18,015 don't we? (both laughing) 398 00:20:18,057 --> 00:20:21,065 All right. (acoustic guitar strumming) 399 00:20:21,107 --> 00:20:24,074 - [Susanna] "It was just after we said I do 400 00:20:24,116 --> 00:20:27,608 that I ever knew there was any one but you." 401 00:20:27,650 --> 00:20:31,717 "It was at one of those parties they give us newlyweds 402 00:20:31,759 --> 00:20:35,658 that I ever craved another man's bed." 403 00:20:35,700 --> 00:20:37,669 "He told me he'd rather give his own life 404 00:20:37,711 --> 00:20:41,468 than take the love of his best friend's wife." 405 00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:45,154 "Now we've lived this way for the last thousand years, 406 00:20:45,196 --> 00:20:49,293 measured with tears for my husband and his wife." 407 00:20:49,335 --> 00:20:51,973 "Now he comes to visit, and we all play cards, 408 00:20:52,015 --> 00:20:55,486 and we study the peach trees in the backyard." 409 00:20:55,528 --> 00:20:59,566 "Then 12 o'clock comes, and he must depart." 410 00:20:59,608 --> 00:21:03,025 "One is my soul, and the other my heart." 411 00:21:06,048 --> 00:21:10,071 (acoustic guitar strums "LA Freeway") 412 00:21:10,113 --> 00:21:12,932 We were thrilled when Jerry Jeff Walker came through town, 413 00:21:12,974 --> 00:21:15,950 and picked up a couple of Guy's songs. 414 00:21:15,992 --> 00:21:17,521 - [Jerry Jeff] I go to New York, and I said, 415 00:21:17,563 --> 00:21:20,567 "I'm gonna do the song on that, finishin' this project." 416 00:21:20,609 --> 00:21:22,445 "I'm gonna do 'Old Time Feeling', 417 00:21:22,487 --> 00:21:24,628 but you guys oughta listen to Guy Clark." 418 00:21:24,670 --> 00:21:26,202 "He really writes some good stuff." 419 00:21:26,244 --> 00:21:28,526 I said, "He wrote this other song called 'LA Freeway'", 420 00:21:28,568 --> 00:21:31,068 and I played just that chorus, 421 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,683 and they go, "Do that one", 422 00:21:34,725 --> 00:21:38,326 and I said, "Okay, I'll do 'em both". 423 00:21:38,368 --> 00:21:41,136 So I wound up doing "Old Time Feeling" and "LA Freeway", 424 00:21:41,178 --> 00:21:43,416 and, of course, the hit had the chorus, 425 00:21:43,458 --> 00:21:44,886 and it had everything else. 426 00:21:44,928 --> 00:21:47,446 - [Susanna] Jerry Jeff put Guy on the map. 427 00:21:47,488 --> 00:21:51,793 "LA Freeway" was a hit, and Guy's career took off. 428 00:21:51,835 --> 00:21:54,163 - [Guy] Susanna and I were living in Los Angeles 429 00:21:54,205 --> 00:21:56,067 when I was workin' at the Dobro factory. 430 00:21:56,109 --> 00:21:59,156 I was playing in a little string band at night, 431 00:21:59,198 --> 00:22:00,626 and about 4:30 in the morning, 432 00:22:00,668 --> 00:22:04,346 we're driving back to LA after the gig, 433 00:22:04,388 --> 00:22:06,616 falling asleep in the back of this old Cadillac, 434 00:22:06,658 --> 00:22:10,336 and I sat up, and I looked around to see where we were, 435 00:22:10,378 --> 00:22:14,273 and I said, "If I could just get off of this LA Freeway" 436 00:22:14,315 --> 00:22:17,148 without getting killed or caught", 437 00:22:18,934 --> 00:22:21,722 and started to go back to sleep, 438 00:22:21,764 --> 00:22:24,264 and I went, "Write that down". 439 00:22:25,533 --> 00:22:28,061 And I got Susanna's eyebrow pencil, 440 00:22:28,103 --> 00:22:31,041 and a burger sack, and wrote, 441 00:22:31,083 --> 00:22:33,520 "If I can just get off this LA Freeway 442 00:22:33,562 --> 00:22:35,775 without getting killed or caught", 443 00:22:35,817 --> 00:22:38,665 put it in my pocket, and went back to sleep. 444 00:22:38,707 --> 00:22:41,057 And I carried that in my billfold, 445 00:22:41,099 --> 00:22:45,849 in my wallet, for two years, until we moved to Nashville. 446 00:22:47,378 --> 00:22:50,186 My only tip about writing, or songwriting, is, 447 00:22:50,228 --> 00:22:54,901 if you have an idea, if you have a flash, write it down. 448 00:22:54,943 --> 00:22:58,848 'Cause if you don't, five minutes, you'll forget it. 449 00:22:58,890 --> 00:23:02,931 (acoustic guitar strums "LA Freeway") 450 00:23:02,973 --> 00:23:06,285 - [Susanna] Luckenbach, Texas is a sacred place for Guy. 451 00:23:06,327 --> 00:23:08,381 He loves to go to Luckenbach. 452 00:23:08,423 --> 00:23:12,200 One night, Guy described every detail of Luckenbach 453 00:23:12,242 --> 00:23:15,480 to our songwriter friend, Chips Moman. 454 00:23:15,522 --> 00:23:18,096 - [Guy] And I was telling Bobby and Chips 455 00:23:18,138 --> 00:23:21,160 what a cool place Luckenbach, Texas was, 456 00:23:21,202 --> 00:23:23,514 'cause I was getting ready to go there. 457 00:23:23,556 --> 00:23:25,601 We were going, "And y'all oughta just go with me". 458 00:23:25,643 --> 00:23:27,022 "Come on, let's go." 459 00:23:27,064 --> 00:23:29,471 "Okay, man, I'm with you." 460 00:23:29,513 --> 00:23:32,728 - [Susanna] Chips didn't come to Luckenbach with us. 461 00:23:32,770 --> 00:23:35,573 In fact, Chips never went to Luckenbach, 462 00:23:35,615 --> 00:23:39,409 but that didn't stop him from writing a song about it. 463 00:23:39,451 --> 00:23:42,443 ♪ Let's go to Luckenbach, Texas ♪ 464 00:23:42,485 --> 00:23:46,083 ♪ With Willie, Waylon and the boys ♪ 465 00:23:46,125 --> 00:23:49,024 - [Guy] 'Cause it was such a well-rendered story. 466 00:23:49,066 --> 00:23:51,174 ♪ This successful life we're livin' ♪ 467 00:23:51,216 --> 00:23:54,564 ♪ Got us feuding like the Hatfields and McCoys ♪ 468 00:23:54,606 --> 00:23:56,474 - "Luckenbach, Texas" might be the song 469 00:23:56,516 --> 00:23:59,526 that defined that whole outlaw movement. 470 00:23:59,568 --> 00:24:02,060 That's one of those that everybody knows. 471 00:24:02,102 --> 00:24:03,352 You sing along. 472 00:24:04,850 --> 00:24:06,600 It's part of our DNA. 473 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,232 ♪ Out in Luckenbach, Texas ♪ 474 00:24:10,274 --> 00:24:13,212 ♪ Ain't nobody feelin' no pain ♪ 475 00:24:13,254 --> 00:24:16,461 Its like I heard it and went, oh no man, come on. 476 00:24:16,503 --> 00:24:20,548 I'm not offended by the fact that they did that. 477 00:24:20,590 --> 00:24:22,795 I don't think I am. 478 00:24:22,837 --> 00:24:25,336 - [Susanna] Actually, Guy never got over it. 479 00:24:25,378 --> 00:24:28,035 It was a missed opportunity. 480 00:24:28,077 --> 00:24:30,077 That song made millions. 481 00:24:34,303 --> 00:24:38,828 Songwriters with lofty ideals knew where to find Guy. 482 00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:41,041 He didn't care about mainstream music. 483 00:24:41,083 --> 00:24:45,607 His only desire was to write songs as great literature. 484 00:24:45,649 --> 00:24:48,777 Our house was a hippie poet salon. 485 00:24:48,819 --> 00:24:53,652 - "So that was just a moveable feast", to quote Hemingway. 486 00:24:55,070 --> 00:24:56,732 But Guy was really the center of it. 487 00:24:56,774 --> 00:25:00,343 I've always said, he was the curator of what was good. 488 00:25:00,385 --> 00:25:02,357 - So the salon existed, 489 00:25:02,399 --> 00:25:04,851 because we had no other way to figure out 490 00:25:04,893 --> 00:25:06,738 our audience was ourselves. 491 00:25:06,780 --> 00:25:10,863 - That is where Guy's creativity was at its best, 492 00:25:13,020 --> 00:25:14,295 and at its finest. 493 00:25:14,337 --> 00:25:17,434 He had a jeweler's eye in that moment, 494 00:25:17,476 --> 00:25:20,393 and was a profound influence on me. 495 00:25:21,589 --> 00:25:22,615 - [Steve] So we were just playing songs, 496 00:25:22,657 --> 00:25:23,606 trying to impress each other, 497 00:25:23,648 --> 00:25:25,816 'cause we had no other audience except ourselves, 498 00:25:25,858 --> 00:25:28,079 which makes a very jaded, tough audience, 499 00:25:28,121 --> 00:25:31,299 and I think sometimes it accelerated, you know, 500 00:25:31,341 --> 00:25:32,926 how good we got. 501 00:25:32,968 --> 00:25:34,468 - All right, do it. 502 00:25:35,378 --> 00:25:39,103 - Guy, wasn't in the business of harvesting stardom. 503 00:25:39,145 --> 00:25:41,812 He was in the business of harvesting art, 504 00:25:41,854 --> 00:25:44,308 and harvesting poetry. 505 00:25:44,350 --> 00:25:45,294 - Listen to that song. 506 00:25:45,336 --> 00:25:47,432 - [Rodney] He could identify what was true, 507 00:25:47,474 --> 00:25:49,224 and real, and good, 508 00:25:49,266 --> 00:25:52,933 and really insightful, incisive, true songs. 509 00:25:55,212 --> 00:25:58,080 Most everybody that I knew wanted to be around that. 510 00:25:58,122 --> 00:25:59,794 - All right. - Yay! (hand claps) 511 00:25:59,836 --> 00:26:01,094 - I certainly did, 512 00:26:01,136 --> 00:26:02,905 'cause I wanted to learn about that. 513 00:26:02,947 --> 00:26:04,320 - We weren't trying to impress Guy 514 00:26:04,362 --> 00:26:06,705 as much as we were trying to impress Susanna, 515 00:26:06,747 --> 00:26:07,846 and the reason we felt that way, 516 00:26:07,888 --> 00:26:10,600 is because Guy was trying to impress Susanna. 517 00:26:10,642 --> 00:26:15,286 - You know, Guy was the sun, and it's just all, you know, 518 00:26:15,328 --> 00:26:18,435 there was a lot of planets spinning around there, 519 00:26:18,477 --> 00:26:23,477 and, you know, maybe Susanna was the sun sometimes, 520 00:26:23,540 --> 00:26:25,015 and Guy was the moon, 521 00:26:25,057 --> 00:26:28,259 and then Guy was the sun, and Susanna was the moon, 522 00:26:28,301 --> 00:26:31,483 and the rest of these artists would orbit around that. 523 00:26:31,525 --> 00:26:32,585 - They were both artists. 524 00:26:32,627 --> 00:26:34,145 They both carried themselves as artists. 525 00:26:34,187 --> 00:26:37,153 You know, we learned to write songs from Guy and Townes, 526 00:26:37,195 --> 00:26:37,993 but we learned how to 527 00:26:38,035 --> 00:26:40,409 carry ourselves as artists from Susanna. 528 00:26:40,451 --> 00:26:41,957 - She drank a lot. 529 00:26:41,999 --> 00:26:43,180 I mean she drank heavy, you know? 530 00:26:43,222 --> 00:26:44,946 She was two fisted, you know? 531 00:26:44,988 --> 00:26:46,331 She said, well, I'll show, you know, 532 00:26:46,373 --> 00:26:48,411 I'm hangin' with a Guy and Townes, 533 00:26:48,453 --> 00:26:51,120 that I can drink as much as they do. 534 00:26:51,162 --> 00:26:54,693 You know, I can do as much blow as they do, you know? 535 00:26:54,735 --> 00:26:57,801 And I can be more lucid than they are. 536 00:26:57,843 --> 00:27:01,696 And she was fun, and she was painting, 537 00:27:01,738 --> 00:27:03,028 and she was a poet, 538 00:27:03,070 --> 00:27:08,070 she just, you know, had a, like a magic wand, in a way. 539 00:27:09,057 --> 00:27:11,428 That, tap you on the shoulders a couple of times 540 00:27:11,470 --> 00:27:13,108 with my magic wand, 541 00:27:13,150 --> 00:27:16,173 and you, too, will have the magic, 542 00:27:16,215 --> 00:27:18,064 and you, too, will be an artist, 543 00:27:18,106 --> 00:27:23,106 and you, too, will understand that art is the process. 544 00:27:23,437 --> 00:27:25,437 It's not the end result. 545 00:27:27,026 --> 00:27:28,055 - [Guy] She was a great painter, 546 00:27:28,097 --> 00:27:30,740 but she wouldn't clean a brush. 547 00:27:30,782 --> 00:27:33,143 She'd let it dry, and throw it away, 548 00:27:33,185 --> 00:27:34,977 you know, $100 brush, 549 00:27:35,019 --> 00:27:36,936 and I'm goin', come on. 550 00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:40,470 She wouldn't wash a pan. 551 00:27:40,512 --> 00:27:44,345 She'd go buy a new $50 copper clad frying pan, 552 00:27:45,533 --> 00:27:48,866 use it once, burn it, and throw it away. 553 00:27:50,451 --> 00:27:53,701 "It's about the food, the nourishment." 554 00:27:54,702 --> 00:27:57,540 "It's not about washin' dishes." 555 00:27:57,582 --> 00:27:59,488 And that was it, you know? 556 00:27:59,530 --> 00:28:03,016 It was just like, you can't argue with that, you know? 557 00:28:03,058 --> 00:28:07,114 - She was as no BS as Guy was, you know? 558 00:28:07,156 --> 00:28:09,977 They were the perfect pair, you know? 559 00:28:10,019 --> 00:28:13,086 And they're the kinda couple that 560 00:28:13,128 --> 00:28:14,796 you dream about being, 561 00:28:14,838 --> 00:28:16,980 in that it's not one or the other, 562 00:28:17,022 --> 00:28:18,439 it's always both. 563 00:28:20,684 --> 00:28:22,629 - [Susanna] Guy didn't care about hit songs. 564 00:28:22,671 --> 00:28:24,360 He cared about great songs, 565 00:28:24,402 --> 00:28:28,319 and those great songs landed him a record deal. 566 00:28:29,370 --> 00:28:33,037 - [Guy] I had a stack of songs to draw from, 567 00:28:34,269 --> 00:28:36,539 and RCA was gonna put out the record, 568 00:28:36,581 --> 00:28:40,241 and they brought some producer down from New York. 569 00:28:40,283 --> 00:28:41,775 I mean, he was a nice enough guy, 570 00:28:41,817 --> 00:28:44,484 but he was prissy and in charge. 571 00:28:45,325 --> 00:28:46,116 (Guy chuckles) 572 00:28:46,158 --> 00:28:49,319 Two things I really don't get along with. 573 00:28:49,361 --> 00:28:51,162 Well, it was all brand new for me. 574 00:28:51,204 --> 00:28:53,222 I'd never played with a drummer 575 00:28:53,264 --> 00:28:55,454 before I came to Nashville, you know? 576 00:28:55,496 --> 00:28:58,409 Being in a recording studio was exciting, 577 00:28:58,451 --> 00:29:01,233 you know, to actually go in a studio, and have a full band. 578 00:29:01,275 --> 00:29:03,732 I always thought it sounded like shit 579 00:29:03,774 --> 00:29:06,758 but it was exciting, you know? 580 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,224 But I finally just said, "Man, stop this right now". 581 00:29:10,266 --> 00:29:11,762 "If you put this record out, 582 00:29:11,804 --> 00:29:15,191 I'll change my fuckin' name, and do somethin' else." 583 00:29:15,233 --> 00:29:16,071 - [Susanna] Guy was miserable 584 00:29:16,113 --> 00:29:18,155 making records the Nashville way. 585 00:29:18,197 --> 00:29:19,810 Guy was a folk singer. 586 00:29:19,852 --> 00:29:24,426 He cared about acoustic guitars and meaningful lyrics. 587 00:29:24,468 --> 00:29:26,907 - [Guy] We just kind of scrambled around, 588 00:29:26,949 --> 00:29:28,731 Rodney and some friends, 589 00:29:28,773 --> 00:29:31,950 and kinda scabbed some demos that I had been doing, 590 00:29:31,992 --> 00:29:35,851 and fixed 'em up, and just did it almost for nothin', 591 00:29:35,893 --> 00:29:37,925 'cause we'd already spent all the money 592 00:29:37,967 --> 00:29:39,550 on the first album. 593 00:29:40,971 --> 00:29:41,900 - [Susanna] When Guy sang 594 00:29:41,942 --> 00:29:44,289 "Desperados Waiting For The Train" for Townes, 595 00:29:44,331 --> 00:29:46,908 Townes said, "Gone commercial, huh?". 596 00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:47,868 (Susanna laughs) 597 00:29:47,910 --> 00:29:50,467 Guy could go in, and sing a song in front of an audience, 598 00:29:50,509 --> 00:29:52,252 and he wouldn't give a flying fuck, 599 00:29:52,294 --> 00:29:54,189 but if he sang it in front of Townes, 600 00:29:54,231 --> 00:29:58,648 Guy would be crazy until Townes gave the lordly okay. 601 00:30:00,170 --> 00:30:02,957 Townes was the yardstick. 602 00:30:02,999 --> 00:30:05,472 (guitar strums "Desperados Waiting for a Train") 603 00:30:05,514 --> 00:30:09,150 Old No 1 painted a picture of Guys' childhood, 604 00:30:09,192 --> 00:30:12,196 in the West Texas town of Monahans. 605 00:30:12,238 --> 00:30:15,694 - [Guy] I mean, West Texas is really austere, 606 00:30:15,736 --> 00:30:16,796 and it's really beautiful. 607 00:30:16,838 --> 00:30:18,084 I really love the desert. 608 00:30:18,126 --> 00:30:21,806 I mean, it's like stunningly beautiful at certain times, 609 00:30:21,848 --> 00:30:23,931 and it's also very harsh. 610 00:30:26,142 --> 00:30:26,975 Cold, hot. 611 00:30:30,196 --> 00:30:31,363 But I think it 612 00:30:33,779 --> 00:30:35,846 it shapes your character in a way 613 00:30:35,888 --> 00:30:39,380 that no other place in the world does. 614 00:30:39,422 --> 00:30:41,345 I mean, I saw stuff growing up 615 00:30:41,387 --> 00:30:44,995 that I wouldn't trade for anything. 616 00:30:45,037 --> 00:30:48,610 I've seen oil wells blow out, like gushers. 617 00:30:48,652 --> 00:30:50,970 I could never forget the smell 618 00:30:51,012 --> 00:30:55,112 of just raw crude oil comin' out of the ground, 619 00:30:55,154 --> 00:30:56,575 or way over the derrick, 620 00:30:56,617 --> 00:30:57,746 (Guy laughs) 621 00:30:57,788 --> 00:31:00,582 you know, stuff like that. 622 00:31:00,624 --> 00:31:02,707 Tumbleweeds, sand storms. 623 00:31:05,152 --> 00:31:06,896 - [Susanna] Guy came from tough stock. 624 00:31:06,938 --> 00:31:09,241 He lived like he was in some old Western movie, 625 00:31:09,283 --> 00:31:13,528 badass grandmothers, and an old wildcatter desperado 626 00:31:13,570 --> 00:31:17,088 named Jack Prigg, his best friend. 627 00:31:17,130 --> 00:31:19,849 - [Guy] I just happened to run across this crusty, old guy 628 00:31:19,891 --> 00:31:21,511 who drilled oil wells all over the world. 629 00:31:21,553 --> 00:31:23,951 I mean, the first wells in South America, 630 00:31:23,993 --> 00:31:28,311 and the first wells in Iraq, and Iran in the '20s. 631 00:31:28,353 --> 00:31:29,144 Never married, 632 00:31:29,186 --> 00:31:32,286 but wound up living at my grandmother's hotel. 633 00:31:32,328 --> 00:31:34,725 In World War II, my father was overseas, 634 00:31:34,767 --> 00:31:37,030 and this was who took me everywhere, 635 00:31:37,072 --> 00:31:40,460 and taught me everything, showed me how to whittle, 636 00:31:40,502 --> 00:31:43,589 took me to bars, taught me to drive. 637 00:31:43,631 --> 00:31:46,581 I jokingly say he was like my grandfather. 638 00:31:46,623 --> 00:31:49,239 He was kinda my grandmother's boyfriend, 639 00:31:49,281 --> 00:31:52,154 but he was like part of the family. 640 00:31:52,196 --> 00:31:55,863 (guitar strums "Desperados Waiting for a Train") 641 00:31:56,804 --> 00:32:01,804 Both of my grandmothers were just, like, tough as nails. 642 00:32:02,074 --> 00:32:04,719 My father's mother had her leg amputated 643 00:32:04,761 --> 00:32:08,356 on the kitchen table when she was 12-years-old, 644 00:32:08,398 --> 00:32:13,160 and wound up runnin' this hotel in Monahans, Texas. 645 00:32:13,202 --> 00:32:16,040 Her husband was a drug addict. 646 00:32:16,082 --> 00:32:19,332 "Pharmacist" is what he called himself, (Guy laughs) 647 00:32:20,379 --> 00:32:22,659 and left, when my father was seven, I think. 648 00:32:22,701 --> 00:32:24,034 Never came back. 649 00:32:25,148 --> 00:32:27,863 She was just a little, gray haired, church going lady, 650 00:32:27,905 --> 00:32:31,848 and she bootlegged whiskey out of the back of her hotel. 651 00:32:31,890 --> 00:32:34,658 And the other one came from Kentucky in a covered wagon 652 00:32:34,700 --> 00:32:39,174 to the Indian territory when she was 12-years-old, 653 00:32:39,216 --> 00:32:41,579 and I think they moved to San Antonio, 654 00:32:41,621 --> 00:32:45,608 and dealt horses out of the back of a wagon. 655 00:32:45,650 --> 00:32:48,228 And she wound up back in Oklahoma. 656 00:32:48,270 --> 00:32:49,948 And was a federal judge. 657 00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:52,573 You know, sent guys to the pen. 658 00:32:54,259 --> 00:32:55,509 Just like, wow! 659 00:32:57,388 --> 00:33:00,853 - There is something romantic about Texas, you know, 660 00:33:00,895 --> 00:33:04,645 and all of its glory, and all its debauchery, 661 00:33:05,529 --> 00:33:08,862 and a Guy was the literary genius of it. 662 00:33:11,411 --> 00:33:14,294 His songs were literature. 663 00:33:14,336 --> 00:33:18,411 (guitar strums "Desperados Waiting for a Train") 664 00:33:18,453 --> 00:33:21,046 - [Susanna] Old No 1 had great reviews, 665 00:33:21,088 --> 00:33:23,081 but did not sell. 666 00:33:23,123 --> 00:33:24,326 - [Guy] I just wasn't cut out 667 00:33:24,368 --> 00:33:27,618 to do the Nashville country star thing. 668 00:33:28,508 --> 00:33:31,301 They found that out pretty quick. 669 00:33:31,343 --> 00:33:34,597 - [Susanna] It was a big deal when Dottsy recorded my song, 670 00:33:34,639 --> 00:33:36,666 "I'll be your San Antone Rose". 671 00:33:36,708 --> 00:33:39,171 Suddenly, I was a hit songwriter, 672 00:33:39,213 --> 00:33:43,078 while RCA was still trying to get Guy off the ground. 673 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,246 - She knew how to put a lot of heart into these songs 674 00:33:45,288 --> 00:33:47,446 that were still kinda basically, 675 00:33:47,488 --> 00:33:50,591 kind of basic country songs that were pretty commercial. 676 00:33:50,633 --> 00:33:53,656 So therefore, she was more successful at it than we were. 677 00:33:53,698 --> 00:33:55,251 - [Guy] She just watched Townes and I go through 678 00:33:55,293 --> 00:33:59,301 all of this angst, and artistic whatever, 679 00:33:59,343 --> 00:34:03,487 that we were trying to write songs, and make a difference, 680 00:34:03,529 --> 00:34:05,085 and she could just sit down, 681 00:34:05,127 --> 00:34:07,899 and write anything off the top of her head, 682 00:34:07,941 --> 00:34:09,955 and have a hit number one song, you know? 683 00:34:09,997 --> 00:34:10,788 She'd say, 684 00:34:10,830 --> 00:34:11,768 "Is that what y'all were trying to do?". 685 00:34:11,810 --> 00:34:15,551 You know, we're just like, oh, fuck, you know? 686 00:34:15,593 --> 00:34:17,151 She considered herself a painter 687 00:34:17,193 --> 00:34:18,996 who dabbled in song writing. 688 00:34:19,038 --> 00:34:21,771 She had a guitar, but she never learned to tune it. 689 00:34:21,813 --> 00:34:23,821 This isn't about learning to play the guitar. 690 00:34:23,863 --> 00:34:25,501 It's about writin' hit songs. 691 00:34:25,543 --> 00:34:28,307 (Guy laughs) 692 00:34:28,349 --> 00:34:29,620 - [Susanna] While Guy scrambled 693 00:34:29,662 --> 00:34:31,776 to make Old No 1 into something, 694 00:34:31,818 --> 00:34:35,192 Townes went back and forth between Nashville and Austin. 695 00:34:35,234 --> 00:34:36,621 When we were not together, 696 00:34:36,663 --> 00:34:39,269 Townes still called me every morning at 8:30. 697 00:34:39,311 --> 00:34:44,061 We talked about language, and words, and poetry, and songs. 698 00:34:44,103 --> 00:34:45,021 More often than not, 699 00:34:45,063 --> 00:34:47,140 he'd read me his new poem of the day. 700 00:34:47,182 --> 00:34:49,661 Songs always had to work 701 00:34:49,703 --> 00:34:53,451 as a poem on paper first, Townes' rule. 702 00:34:53,493 --> 00:34:54,659 (male speaks indistinctly) (Susanna laughs) 703 00:34:54,701 --> 00:34:55,839 (all laughing) 704 00:34:55,881 --> 00:34:59,474 On Christmas Eve, 1976, Townes came over. 705 00:34:59,516 --> 00:35:02,495 I got T.R. out to document our conversation. 706 00:35:02,537 --> 00:35:07,537 (Townes picks upbeat guitar tune) 707 00:35:32,006 --> 00:35:36,989 (Townes picks upbeat guitar tune) 708 00:35:51,814 --> 00:35:55,397 (Guy and Susanna laughing) 709 00:37:39,461 --> 00:37:41,777 (bad acoustic guitar buzzer sounds) 710 00:37:44,003 --> 00:37:45,509 (all laughing) 711 00:37:45,551 --> 00:37:47,490 (guitar strums "Texas Cookin'") 712 00:37:47,532 --> 00:37:48,511 - [Guy] Well, I'm 41. 713 00:37:48,553 --> 00:37:51,181 I have blue eyes, and I like fried chicken. 714 00:37:51,223 --> 00:37:52,825 - [Susanna] RCA had high hopes 715 00:37:52,867 --> 00:37:56,707 for Guy's next record, Texas Cookin'. 716 00:37:56,749 --> 00:37:58,639 - [Guy] You know, I wrote it after I moved to Nashville, 717 00:37:58,681 --> 00:38:01,164 'cause I couldn't get any real food. 718 00:38:01,206 --> 00:38:02,889 You know, you can't buy barbecue here. 719 00:38:02,931 --> 00:38:05,299 Only barbecue is pork, you know? 720 00:38:05,341 --> 00:38:06,829 - [Susanna] A few Texas radio stations 721 00:38:06,871 --> 00:38:08,240 got on board with the single, 722 00:38:08,282 --> 00:38:11,888 but RCA wanted a national hit on country radio, 723 00:38:11,930 --> 00:38:13,435 and it was not happening. 724 00:38:13,477 --> 00:38:14,268 ♪ Come back home ♪ 725 00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:15,354 - [Guy] It's a hard thing to do, you know? 726 00:38:15,396 --> 00:38:17,248 I mean, where do you put a record like that? 727 00:38:17,290 --> 00:38:19,114 I mean, is that country, or is that pop? 728 00:38:19,156 --> 00:38:21,052 You know, they don't really have a record bin 729 00:38:21,094 --> 00:38:22,052 to put that stuff in, 730 00:38:22,094 --> 00:38:24,343 and they don't really know what to do with it. 731 00:38:24,385 --> 00:38:29,385 ♪ Oh my, mama, ain't that Texas cookin' somethin' ♪ 732 00:38:29,478 --> 00:38:33,133 - "Why didn't Guy Clark become a big star", 733 00:38:33,175 --> 00:38:35,077 you know, quote unquote? 734 00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:36,228 Well, I can tell you a story 735 00:38:36,270 --> 00:38:39,353 that, to me, illustrates it in a way. 736 00:38:40,535 --> 00:38:43,134 Guy had Old No. 1 out, 737 00:38:43,176 --> 00:38:46,889 and was getting booked on Austin City Limits. 738 00:38:46,931 --> 00:38:49,086 So he said, "Come on, go down". 739 00:38:49,128 --> 00:38:50,611 "Let's go do Austin City Limits, 740 00:38:50,653 --> 00:38:53,246 come sing harmony with me, and play guitar". 741 00:38:53,288 --> 00:38:56,759 - [Announcer] Tonight, It's Texas Cookin' with Guy Clark. 742 00:38:56,801 --> 00:38:59,382 - The night before the shoot, 743 00:38:59,424 --> 00:39:03,471 which if somebody were thinking about stardom, 744 00:39:03,513 --> 00:39:05,263 and image projection, 745 00:39:07,377 --> 00:39:10,043 we'd all gone to bed, got some rest, 746 00:39:10,085 --> 00:39:15,085 and got up, and got on with the business of becoming a star. 747 00:39:15,311 --> 00:39:17,568 But Jerry Jeff came around to the hotel, 748 00:39:17,610 --> 00:39:19,217 and a couple of other yahoos, 749 00:39:19,259 --> 00:39:22,544 and we stayed up all night swapping songs. 750 00:39:22,586 --> 00:39:25,165 ♪ Run his fingers through ♪ 751 00:39:25,207 --> 00:39:26,825 ♪ Seventy years ♪ - Guy didn't care about 752 00:39:26,867 --> 00:39:28,524 pleasing the record label. 753 00:39:28,566 --> 00:39:30,431 He was passionate about the songs, 754 00:39:30,473 --> 00:39:33,683 and he was hell bent on doing things his way. 755 00:39:33,725 --> 00:39:35,058 RCA dropped him. 756 00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:42,599 ♪ We was friends, me and this old man ♪ 757 00:39:42,722 --> 00:39:47,722 ♪ Was like desperados waiting for a train ♪ 758 00:39:50,022 --> 00:39:54,855 ♪ Was like desperados waiting for a train ♪ 759 00:40:00,833 --> 00:40:02,551 ♪ Well, he's a drifter ♪ 760 00:40:02,593 --> 00:40:07,593 ♪ And a driller of oil wells ♪ 761 00:40:08,182 --> 00:40:13,148 ♪ And an old school man of the world ♪ 762 00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:14,264 - [Susanna] He signed a deal 763 00:40:14,306 --> 00:40:17,309 with another major label, Warner Brothers, 764 00:40:17,351 --> 00:40:20,184 just down the street on Music Row. 765 00:40:22,219 --> 00:40:24,893 ♪ And he'd wink and give me money ♪ 766 00:40:24,935 --> 00:40:27,653 - [Guy] And I got real enamored with Warner Brothers, 767 00:40:27,695 --> 00:40:30,888 and that whole scene Emmylou was in. 768 00:40:30,930 --> 00:40:33,371 The guys in LA were throwing money around, 769 00:40:33,413 --> 00:40:35,820 like it was nuts, you know? 770 00:40:35,862 --> 00:40:40,362 I mean, I was spending $125,000 on an album, you know? 771 00:40:41,481 --> 00:40:46,481 It was just absolutely stupid. ♪ Waiting for a train ♪ 772 00:40:46,582 --> 00:40:50,692 - [Susanna] Warner Brothers released the album Guy Clark. 773 00:40:50,734 --> 00:40:54,356 It bombed. ♪ Waiting for a train ♪ 774 00:40:54,398 --> 00:40:58,898 ♪ Like desperados waiting for a train ♪ 775 00:41:01,583 --> 00:41:05,480 (audience cheers and applauds) 776 00:41:05,522 --> 00:41:07,449 - [Susanna] I had a great year. 777 00:41:07,491 --> 00:41:10,205 Jerry Jeff Walker recorded my songs. 778 00:41:10,247 --> 00:41:13,840 Willie and Emmy used my paintings for album covers. 779 00:41:13,882 --> 00:41:17,571 Emmylou released Quarter Moon in a Ten Cent Town. 780 00:41:17,613 --> 00:41:20,315 That title came from a line in "Easy From Now On", 781 00:41:20,357 --> 00:41:22,521 which is a song I wrote with Carlene Carter. 782 00:41:22,563 --> 00:41:26,646 ♪ It's gonna be easy from now on ♪ 783 00:41:28,007 --> 00:41:32,438 - [Susanna] Guy seemed resentful at my success. 784 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,652 Emmy and Rodney were getting a lot of attention 785 00:41:34,694 --> 00:41:35,618 with their records. 786 00:41:35,660 --> 00:41:37,571 Guy wanted some of that. 787 00:41:37,613 --> 00:41:41,541 - When the new wave post-punk-rock-thing hit, 788 00:41:41,583 --> 00:41:43,934 I thought, oh boy, we gotta get some edge. 789 00:41:43,976 --> 00:41:46,675 So I sought out Craig Leon, and we made 790 00:41:46,717 --> 00:41:49,017 But What Will the Neighbors Think. 791 00:41:49,059 --> 00:41:50,100 - [Guy] Rodney's a drummer. 792 00:41:50,142 --> 00:41:51,483 He loves drums. 793 00:41:51,525 --> 00:41:53,163 He loves the sound of drums. 794 00:41:53,205 --> 00:41:55,211 He plays drums. 795 00:41:55,253 --> 00:41:57,606 And he loved the drum sound 796 00:41:57,648 --> 00:42:00,123 that Craig Leon got on his record, 797 00:42:00,165 --> 00:42:01,752 and consequently, 798 00:42:01,794 --> 00:42:04,312 just pushed me in that direction, you know? 799 00:42:04,354 --> 00:42:05,493 And I went, okay. 800 00:42:05,535 --> 00:42:07,709 I don't know, you know, anything about drums, 801 00:42:07,751 --> 00:42:09,097 but if you say so. 802 00:42:09,139 --> 00:42:12,601 So once again, that was that kind of situation, 803 00:42:12,643 --> 00:42:14,551 man, if you put this out, I'll split. 804 00:42:14,593 --> 00:42:15,640 I'll change my name. 805 00:42:15,682 --> 00:42:18,550 I'll do anything, but this is not right, 806 00:42:18,592 --> 00:42:20,749 that I can't in good conscience 807 00:42:20,791 --> 00:42:23,954 live with this kind of production. 808 00:42:23,996 --> 00:42:27,335 - [Susanna] Once again, Guy scrapped an entire record. 809 00:42:27,377 --> 00:42:31,144 He turned to Rodney to produce The South Coast of Texas. 810 00:42:31,186 --> 00:42:33,270 - [Guy] And once again, you know, we just scraped, 811 00:42:33,312 --> 00:42:35,488 and stole studio time, 812 00:42:35,530 --> 00:42:39,978 you know, just anything we could do to get this record made. 813 00:42:40,020 --> 00:42:41,191 Rodney was gonna produce it, 814 00:42:41,233 --> 00:42:43,709 and everything was gonna be different. 815 00:42:43,751 --> 00:42:48,751 - We made South Coast Of Texas, I think, in three days. 816 00:42:48,841 --> 00:42:52,474 And also, sweet Vince Gill came in, 817 00:42:52,516 --> 00:42:54,327 and he and I did the background vocals, 818 00:42:54,369 --> 00:42:57,367 and I thought it was a really fine record. 819 00:42:57,409 --> 00:43:01,599 I think the record company appreciated it to some degree. 820 00:43:01,641 --> 00:43:02,947 I'm not sure they knew, 821 00:43:02,989 --> 00:43:06,906 yet knew how to market a poet of Guy's caliber. 822 00:43:09,488 --> 00:43:11,462 ♪ Oh, the south coast of Texas ♪ 823 00:43:11,504 --> 00:43:14,105 ♪ That's a thin slice of life ♪ 824 00:43:14,147 --> 00:43:15,681 ♪ It's salty and hard ♪ - In the fifth grade, 825 00:43:15,723 --> 00:43:17,601 Guy moved to Rockport, 826 00:43:17,643 --> 00:43:20,722 that's a little fishing town on the South Coast of Texas. 827 00:43:20,764 --> 00:43:22,718 - [Guy] I think it was always kind of a wonderful. 828 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,657 It was a really small town. 829 00:43:24,699 --> 00:43:27,132 My graduating class was 46, 830 00:43:27,174 --> 00:43:29,532 and, you know, everybody knew everybody, 831 00:43:29,574 --> 00:43:31,940 and it seemed like idyllic. 832 00:43:31,982 --> 00:43:35,442 You know, I played football, and basketball, and ran track, 833 00:43:35,484 --> 00:43:38,185 was on the Student Council, you know, 834 00:43:38,227 --> 00:43:42,644 all of that social stuff that happens in high school. 835 00:43:44,708 --> 00:43:45,851 My father was a lawyer, 836 00:43:45,893 --> 00:43:48,499 and my mother worked as a secretary. 837 00:43:48,541 --> 00:43:53,541 She had such an amazing encyclopedia of stuff she could do. 838 00:43:53,718 --> 00:43:56,112 One of 'em was reading poetry after dinner, 839 00:43:56,154 --> 00:43:59,323 and my mother considered herself a very good interpreter 840 00:43:59,365 --> 00:44:00,865 of that kind of stuff. 841 00:44:00,907 --> 00:44:02,923 I'm sure a lot of it stuck with me. 842 00:44:02,965 --> 00:44:05,101 Ah, I tend to get a little dramatic. 843 00:44:05,143 --> 00:44:07,328 (Guy laughs) 844 00:44:07,370 --> 00:44:09,638 ♪ In the cars of my youth ♪ 845 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,333 ♪ How I tore through those sand dunes ♪ 846 00:44:12,375 --> 00:44:17,375 ♪ And cut up my tires on them oyster shell roads ♪ 847 00:44:18,078 --> 00:44:20,538 ♪ Ah, but nothin' is forever ♪ 848 00:44:20,580 --> 00:44:23,231 ♪ Say the old men in the shipyards ♪ 849 00:44:23,273 --> 00:44:25,456 ♪ Turnin' trees into shrimp boats ♪ 850 00:44:25,498 --> 00:44:28,180 ♪ Hell, I guess they oughta know ♪ 851 00:44:28,222 --> 00:44:30,720 - [Guy] When I was in high school working at a ship yard, 852 00:44:30,762 --> 00:44:33,904 we were building big 80 foot wooden shrimp boats. 853 00:44:33,946 --> 00:44:36,217 That fascinated me. 854 00:44:36,259 --> 00:44:39,746 I mean, if you look at the lines of a wooden boat, 855 00:44:39,788 --> 00:44:44,455 the way it just curves around, that is just such an art. 856 00:44:45,424 --> 00:44:47,343 I remember telling my parents one time 857 00:44:47,385 --> 00:44:49,742 that I wanted to be a carpenter in the shipyard. 858 00:44:49,784 --> 00:44:51,470 I decided what I was gonna do. 859 00:44:51,512 --> 00:44:52,945 (Guy chuckles) 860 00:44:52,987 --> 00:44:54,820 Yeah, it was very cool. 861 00:44:56,864 --> 00:45:00,531 (guitar pic flamenco tune) 862 00:45:02,547 --> 00:45:07,547 - [Susanna] Lola Bonner was Ellis Clark's law partner. 863 00:45:07,717 --> 00:45:10,217 She taught Guy to play guitar. 864 00:45:11,294 --> 00:45:12,670 - [Guy] She played guitar, 865 00:45:12,712 --> 00:45:15,371 and she was South Texas born and bred, 866 00:45:15,413 --> 00:45:18,874 and all she knew was Mexican songs. 867 00:45:18,916 --> 00:45:20,451 And the first time I saw her 868 00:45:20,493 --> 00:45:24,993 was out at Hondo Crouch's sister's place on the beach. 869 00:45:27,797 --> 00:45:29,438 And I was just taken 870 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,397 with that first time of seeing Hondo, and Lola, 871 00:45:34,412 --> 00:45:37,068 and everybody just passing the guitar around, 872 00:45:37,110 --> 00:45:38,895 playing it, and trading songs. 873 00:45:38,937 --> 00:45:42,153 I was hooked from that day on. 874 00:45:42,195 --> 00:45:44,736 (guitar strums somber "The Randall Knife") 875 00:45:44,778 --> 00:45:46,944 - [Susanna] The South Coast of Texas came out, 876 00:45:46,986 --> 00:45:51,087 and not long after that Guy's father died. 877 00:45:51,129 --> 00:45:52,676 - [Guy] He had a bad heart, 878 00:45:52,718 --> 00:45:56,275 and he smoked and drank all his life, you know? 879 00:45:56,317 --> 00:46:00,030 He slowly started losing his memory. 880 00:46:00,072 --> 00:46:01,829 He just got weaker and weaker. 881 00:46:01,871 --> 00:46:03,954 And we knew he was dying, 882 00:46:05,022 --> 00:46:09,024 and I was driving from Nashville to Rockport, 883 00:46:09,066 --> 00:46:12,133 and I got to Beeville, I think, 884 00:46:12,175 --> 00:46:14,013 just was worried, and I called my mother, 885 00:46:14,055 --> 00:46:16,088 and I talked to him, and he was, 886 00:46:16,130 --> 00:46:18,592 all of a sudden, he was very lucid, 887 00:46:18,634 --> 00:46:20,416 and it was a conversation that kind of healed 888 00:46:20,458 --> 00:46:24,958 any hard feelings that might've been between he and I. 889 00:46:27,017 --> 00:46:28,633 We were back in Nashville, 890 00:46:28,675 --> 00:46:31,622 and I started writing this poem. 891 00:46:31,664 --> 00:46:33,212 I didn't think of it as song. 892 00:46:33,254 --> 00:46:34,279 I mean, it just... 893 00:46:34,321 --> 00:46:36,238 I couldn't make it a song. 894 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,690 I couldn't twist it into a song. 895 00:46:39,732 --> 00:46:41,481 - [Susanna] On his next album, 896 00:46:41,523 --> 00:46:45,505 Guy recorded "Randall Knife" to honor his father. 897 00:46:45,547 --> 00:46:48,214 (guitar strums) 898 00:46:49,101 --> 00:46:50,335 - [Guy] That was one of the few arguments 899 00:46:50,377 --> 00:46:52,765 Rod and I ever got into about music, 900 00:46:52,807 --> 00:46:55,513 was he was producing the record, 901 00:46:55,555 --> 00:46:57,583 and we had a full band in the studio. 902 00:46:57,625 --> 00:47:00,076 I mean, you know, A players. 903 00:47:00,118 --> 00:47:02,196 And we did "The Randall Knife", 904 00:47:02,238 --> 00:47:03,712 and I told Rodney right then, 905 00:47:03,754 --> 00:47:08,754 I said, "Man, this is not a song you play with drums". 906 00:47:09,019 --> 00:47:10,689 "We can't do this." 907 00:47:10,731 --> 00:47:11,522 And Rodney said, 908 00:47:11,564 --> 00:47:15,614 "Well, I want it to sound like the rest of the record". 909 00:47:15,656 --> 00:47:18,374 - That was not my finest hour as a producer, I don't think, 910 00:47:18,416 --> 00:47:23,062 and I think it may have been a turning point for Guy, 911 00:47:23,104 --> 00:47:25,299 in that, kind of the methodology 912 00:47:25,341 --> 00:47:28,134 of recording tracks with musicians, 913 00:47:28,176 --> 00:47:31,003 and then havin' the lead artist come back, 914 00:47:31,045 --> 00:47:33,045 and dub in their vocals. 915 00:47:34,894 --> 00:47:36,974 That's not how you wanna record Guy Clark, 916 00:47:37,016 --> 00:47:41,599 because he's an actor, and a narrator, and a performer. 917 00:47:44,858 --> 00:47:47,103 If anything positive came out, 918 00:47:47,145 --> 00:47:48,978 besides there bein' a record in the world 919 00:47:49,020 --> 00:47:49,926 with those songs on it, 920 00:47:49,968 --> 00:47:51,236 is that I think he decided 921 00:47:51,278 --> 00:47:54,681 what he wanted to do from then on. 922 00:47:54,723 --> 00:47:56,956 ♪ My father died when I was forty ♪ 923 00:47:56,998 --> 00:48:01,338 ♪ And I couldn't find a way to cry ♪ 924 00:48:01,380 --> 00:48:03,941 ♪ Not because I didn't love him ♪ 925 00:48:03,983 --> 00:48:08,513 ♪ And not because he didn't try ♪ 926 00:48:08,555 --> 00:48:12,328 ♪ Oh, I'd cried for every lesser thing ♪ 927 00:48:12,370 --> 00:48:15,819 ♪ The whiskey, pain and beauty ♪ 928 00:48:15,861 --> 00:48:18,613 ♪ But he deserved a better tear ♪ 929 00:48:18,655 --> 00:48:23,655 ♪ And I was not quite ready ♪ 930 00:48:25,367 --> 00:48:28,630 ♪ So we took his ashes out to sea ♪ 931 00:48:28,672 --> 00:48:32,122 ♪ And poured `em off the stern ♪ 932 00:48:32,164 --> 00:48:34,921 ♪ And then threw the roses in the wake ♪ 933 00:48:34,963 --> 00:48:39,963 ♪ Of everything we'd learned ♪ 934 00:48:40,331 --> 00:48:43,363 ♪ And when we got back to the house ♪ 935 00:48:43,405 --> 00:48:46,683 ♪ They asked me what I wanted ♪ 936 00:48:46,725 --> 00:48:49,832 ♪ Not the law books, not the watch ♪ 937 00:48:49,874 --> 00:48:53,929 ♪ I need the things he's haunted ♪ 938 00:48:53,971 --> 00:48:57,989 ♪ Oh, my hand burned for the Randall knife ♪ 939 00:48:58,031 --> 00:49:01,442 ♪ There in the bottom drawer ♪ 940 00:49:01,484 --> 00:49:04,778 ♪ And I found a tear for my father's life ♪ 941 00:49:04,820 --> 00:49:07,374 ♪ And all that it stood for ♪ 942 00:49:07,416 --> 00:49:12,166 (somber "Randall Knife" continues playing) 943 00:49:27,818 --> 00:49:30,896 - [Susanna] Warner Brothers dropped Guy from the label. 944 00:49:30,938 --> 00:49:32,365 Guy was okay with the decision. 945 00:49:32,407 --> 00:49:35,113 He'd recorded five albums with two major labels, 946 00:49:35,155 --> 00:49:38,572 and he hadn't been happy with any of 'em. 947 00:49:39,506 --> 00:49:41,633 Guy was finished chasing hits. 948 00:49:41,675 --> 00:49:43,646 He was finished playing with the band, 949 00:49:43,688 --> 00:49:47,034 and he was finished with the music business. 950 00:49:47,076 --> 00:49:48,704 He had no idea of what he was gonna do next, 951 00:49:48,746 --> 00:49:52,754 but he knew it was time to do things his way. 952 00:49:52,796 --> 00:49:54,553 - [Guy] Yeah, I wanted it to be good. 953 00:49:54,595 --> 00:49:57,308 I knew the songs were good, and I knew I could play 'em, 954 00:49:57,350 --> 00:49:59,101 'cause I wrote 'em, 955 00:49:59,143 --> 00:50:01,686 but I hadn't just stood up there 956 00:50:01,728 --> 00:50:05,863 with just me and my guitar in a long, long time. 957 00:50:05,905 --> 00:50:08,201 I quit, and started over. 958 00:50:08,243 --> 00:50:09,459 For once, I was right, I guess. 959 00:50:09,501 --> 00:50:12,923 You know, I figured out that's what I wanted to do. 960 00:50:12,965 --> 00:50:14,596 All you gotta do is just do it. 961 00:50:14,638 --> 00:50:16,555 Nobody says you can't, so 962 00:50:17,449 --> 00:50:19,533 Here I am, a folk singer. 963 00:50:19,575 --> 00:50:20,621 (Guy chuckles) 964 00:50:20,663 --> 00:50:25,246 - Smart choice, Guy choosing the path of a folk singer, 965 00:50:27,725 --> 00:50:30,558 and choosing a method of recording 966 00:50:32,655 --> 00:50:34,322 in the tradition of folk singers, 967 00:50:34,364 --> 00:50:35,754 which is (Rodney chuckles) 968 00:50:35,796 --> 00:50:39,132 elbow the drums out, clear everything out of the way, 969 00:50:39,174 --> 00:50:41,791 so you can hear the words, 970 00:50:41,833 --> 00:50:43,646 because that's, you know, 971 00:50:43,688 --> 00:50:47,605 that was Guy coming to understand his strength. 972 00:50:50,866 --> 00:50:52,483 - He knew what he wanted to be. 973 00:50:52,525 --> 00:50:54,483 He knew how he wanted to sound. 974 00:50:54,525 --> 00:50:57,358 Every word mattered in every song. 975 00:50:58,232 --> 00:51:00,903 So that's clarity, you know? 976 00:51:00,945 --> 00:51:02,974 At its best. 977 00:51:03,016 --> 00:51:06,435 - [Guy] Never did write hit songs for country music radio. 978 00:51:06,477 --> 00:51:07,795 I never was a country singer. 979 00:51:07,837 --> 00:51:10,134 I'm still not a country singer. 980 00:51:10,176 --> 00:51:11,663 I just write songs and play 'em. 981 00:51:11,705 --> 00:51:12,872 I'm Guy Clark. 982 00:51:14,032 --> 00:51:16,829 - [Susanna] Guy and Townes hit the road with their guitars, 983 00:51:16,871 --> 00:51:17,969 and they were playing together 984 00:51:18,011 --> 00:51:19,833 like they did back in the Houston days. 985 00:51:19,875 --> 00:51:24,028 But he didn't record again for five years. 986 00:51:24,070 --> 00:51:24,861 - [City Billy] Visiting this morning 987 00:51:24,903 --> 00:51:27,858 with Townes Van Zandt and Guy Clark. 988 00:51:27,900 --> 00:51:30,824 Do you have any record in the works, also, of your own, 989 00:51:30,866 --> 00:51:32,282 besides... Well- 990 00:51:32,324 --> 00:51:33,115 Kind of in the process 991 00:51:33,157 --> 00:51:35,877 of trying to write some songs for one. 992 00:51:35,919 --> 00:51:38,060 Remember, that's the hard part. 993 00:51:38,102 --> 00:51:39,654 - [City Billy] You have a contract at the moment, 994 00:51:39,696 --> 00:51:40,487 - No. - or you just 995 00:51:40,529 --> 00:51:41,394 peddle it once it's done? - Uh-uh. 996 00:51:41,436 --> 00:51:44,235 No, I'll just do it, and then see what happens. 997 00:51:44,277 --> 00:51:46,509 Maybe just peddle it myself, you know? 998 00:51:46,551 --> 00:51:48,174 (Guy laughs) 999 00:51:48,216 --> 00:51:52,184 - He came to me in the hallway one day, and said, 1000 00:51:52,226 --> 00:51:54,951 "Man, I gotta make my comeback record". 1001 00:51:54,993 --> 00:51:58,903 And he said, "And I ain't got no money, 1002 00:51:58,945 --> 00:52:02,646 and you're just the guy that can help me". 1003 00:52:02,688 --> 00:52:04,701 - [Susanna] For the first time since Old No 1, 1004 00:52:04,743 --> 00:52:07,236 the songs took the starring role. 1005 00:52:07,278 --> 00:52:09,452 Guy was so happy about this album 1006 00:52:09,494 --> 00:52:13,062 that he put his self portrait painting on the cover. 1007 00:52:13,104 --> 00:52:16,589 He took the album to Barry Poss at Sugar Hill Records. 1008 00:52:16,631 --> 00:52:19,104 - So normally, we wouldn't do a one-off. 1009 00:52:19,146 --> 00:52:23,278 We like to work with artists over time, developing careers. 1010 00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:27,078 But the chance to work with Guy Clark, 1011 00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,747 even for one album, was different. 1012 00:52:29,789 --> 00:52:32,399 His music, I think, went right to the heart 1013 00:52:32,441 --> 00:52:36,750 of what I wanted the label to be about to begin with. 1014 00:52:36,792 --> 00:52:39,547 - [Susanna] Guy put my song, "Come from the Heart", 1015 00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:42,086 on his first Grammy-nominated album. 1016 00:52:42,128 --> 00:52:44,582 (acoustic instrumental "Come From The Heart") 1017 00:52:44,624 --> 00:52:47,033 ♪ When I was a young man ♪ 1018 00:52:47,075 --> 00:52:49,042 ♪ My daddy told me ♪ 1019 00:52:49,084 --> 00:52:50,505 ♪ A lesson he learned ♪ - The identity, 1020 00:52:50,547 --> 00:52:52,120 the statement that I wanted, 1021 00:52:52,162 --> 00:52:55,330 came from roots-based contemporary music 1022 00:52:55,372 --> 00:52:57,240 Now called Americana. 1023 00:52:57,282 --> 00:53:00,990 And I think Guy Clark not only fit that aesthetic perfectly, 1024 00:53:01,032 --> 00:53:02,800 he helped define it. ♪ Learn to let go ♪ 1025 00:53:02,842 --> 00:53:05,297 ♪ You got to sing ♪ 1026 00:53:05,339 --> 00:53:07,950 ♪ Like you don't need the money ♪ 1027 00:53:07,992 --> 00:53:09,670 ♪ Love ♪ 1028 00:53:09,712 --> 00:53:12,059 ♪ Like you'll never get hurt ♪ 1029 00:53:12,101 --> 00:53:14,555 ♪ You got to dance ♪ 1030 00:53:14,597 --> 00:53:16,921 ♪ Like nobody's watching ♪ 1031 00:53:16,963 --> 00:53:19,301 ♪ It's gotta come from the heart ♪ 1032 00:53:19,343 --> 00:53:21,368 ♪ If you want it to work ♪ 1033 00:53:21,410 --> 00:53:22,671 ♪ Yeah ♪ 1034 00:53:22,713 --> 00:53:24,291 - [Susanna] "Come from the Heart" had a life of its own, 1035 00:53:24,333 --> 00:53:26,273 and several people cut it, 1036 00:53:26,315 --> 00:53:28,854 but Kathy Mattea made it a monster hit. 1037 00:53:28,896 --> 00:53:32,629 ♪ Oh, you got to sing ♪ ♪ Sing ♪ 1038 00:53:32,671 --> 00:53:35,621 ♪ Like you don't need the money ♪ 1039 00:53:35,663 --> 00:53:37,641 ♪ Love ♪ ♪ Love ♪ 1040 00:53:37,683 --> 00:53:40,304 ♪ Like you'll never get hurt ♪ 1041 00:53:40,346 --> 00:53:43,559 ♪ You've got to dance ♪ ♪ Dance ♪ 1042 00:53:43,601 --> 00:53:45,989 ♪ Like nobody's watchin' ♪ 1043 00:53:46,031 --> 00:53:48,879 ♪ It's gotta come from the heart ♪ 1044 00:53:48,921 --> 00:53:51,238 ♪ If you want it to work ♪ 1045 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,839 (upbeat "Come From the Heart" continues) 1046 00:53:54,881 --> 00:53:56,426 - [Susanna] After I got my royalties 1047 00:53:56,468 --> 00:53:59,332 from "Come from the Heart", I left Guy. 1048 00:53:59,374 --> 00:54:00,568 I still loved him, 1049 00:54:00,610 --> 00:54:02,528 but I had stuff to work out, 1050 00:54:02,570 --> 00:54:05,827 and I couldn't do it livin' with Guy. 1051 00:54:05,869 --> 00:54:07,664 - [Guy] She'd had enough of my bullshit, 1052 00:54:07,706 --> 00:54:11,074 and she just rented herself an apartment. 1053 00:54:11,116 --> 00:54:12,486 That was it. 1054 00:54:12,528 --> 00:54:13,325 I wouldn't have thought 1055 00:54:13,367 --> 00:54:17,036 that she had her shit together enough to do that, 1056 00:54:17,078 --> 00:54:19,367 and I think she was proving a point, 1057 00:54:19,409 --> 00:54:22,836 that she didn't have to depend on me for everything. 1058 00:54:22,878 --> 00:54:25,568 - She was reclaiming a part of herself 1059 00:54:25,610 --> 00:54:27,741 that she'd lost in her marriage. 1060 00:54:27,783 --> 00:54:29,928 But Susanna, during that time period, 1061 00:54:29,970 --> 00:54:33,512 she was more healthy than I recall her ever being, 1062 00:54:33,554 --> 00:54:36,171 and she was going to therapy, 1063 00:54:36,213 --> 00:54:40,096 and doing a lot of self-affirming things, 1064 00:54:40,138 --> 00:54:42,651 and was a delight to be around. 1065 00:54:42,693 --> 00:54:45,610 And said, "I'm done with marriage". 1066 00:54:48,533 --> 00:54:50,602 - [Susanna] I gave Guy a comfortable place to be 1067 00:54:50,644 --> 00:54:52,872 so he could be an artist. 1068 00:54:52,914 --> 00:54:55,029 I poured love into him. 1069 00:54:55,071 --> 00:54:56,317 I spoiled him to the point 1070 00:54:56,359 --> 00:54:59,059 where he thought he could get away with anything. 1071 00:54:59,101 --> 00:55:00,897 I tended to what he needed, 1072 00:55:00,939 --> 00:55:03,509 and I did that until I realized 1073 00:55:03,551 --> 00:55:05,944 that it wasn't being returned. 1074 00:55:05,986 --> 00:55:07,937 - Rodney had a relationship with Susanna 1075 00:55:07,979 --> 00:55:09,537 that was separate from his relationship with Guy. 1076 00:55:09,579 --> 00:55:10,673 So I did I. 1077 00:55:10,715 --> 00:55:12,073 And Townes certainly did. 1078 00:55:12,115 --> 00:55:15,033 The relationship between Townes and Susanna, 1079 00:55:15,075 --> 00:55:16,142 it was something that, 1080 00:55:16,184 --> 00:55:17,702 nobody really talked about it, 1081 00:55:17,744 --> 00:55:19,744 because it was a little, 1082 00:55:21,230 --> 00:55:22,888 it was a little too intimate 1083 00:55:22,930 --> 00:55:25,347 to be in the same room with sometimes it seemed, 1084 00:55:25,389 --> 00:55:27,232 and probably brought up questions 1085 00:55:27,274 --> 00:55:29,061 nobody really wanted to know the answer to, 1086 00:55:29,103 --> 00:55:31,053 'cause it sort of blew their whole 1087 00:55:31,095 --> 00:55:33,197 idea about the whole rest of it, 1088 00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,489 you know, Guy and Susanna as an entity. 1089 00:55:38,612 --> 00:55:40,876 - [Susanna] Townes and his wife split up, 1090 00:55:40,918 --> 00:55:43,478 and he spent a lot of time at my place. 1091 00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,738 Townes served me breakfast in bed, always with flowers. 1092 00:55:46,780 --> 00:55:47,733 (Susanna giggles) 1093 00:55:47,775 --> 00:55:51,602 Sometimes he'd tell those terrible jokes of his. 1094 00:55:51,644 --> 00:55:52,893 Sometimes he'd cry, 1095 00:55:52,935 --> 00:55:55,798 and sometimes I'd cry for him. 1096 00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,038 After supper, we'd drink wine, 1097 00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,593 and watch reruns on Nick at Nite. 1098 00:56:00,635 --> 00:56:03,792 It was a sweet and loving time. 1099 00:56:03,834 --> 00:56:06,840 Rodney and his wife, Roseanne, broke up too, 1100 00:56:06,882 --> 00:56:09,900 and then Rodney and I got close. 1101 00:56:09,942 --> 00:56:12,290 - I loved Susanna, you know? 1102 00:56:12,332 --> 00:56:15,415 And she taught me how to be a friend, 1103 00:56:17,004 --> 00:56:20,671 but it evolved into a real, true friendship. 1104 00:56:22,706 --> 00:56:24,334 What do you think, Ms. Clark? 1105 00:56:24,376 --> 00:56:26,292 - Well, they just didn't have any tacos, 1106 00:56:26,334 --> 00:56:27,854 and I'm kinda disappointed. 1107 00:56:27,896 --> 00:56:29,689 (females laughing) 1108 00:56:29,731 --> 00:56:31,828 (Susanna laughs) 1109 00:56:31,870 --> 00:56:33,408 That's all I think right now. 1110 00:56:33,450 --> 00:56:36,367 (females laughing) 1111 00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,507 Hello there, Rod. - Hi. 1112 00:56:39,549 --> 00:56:40,451 - How are you? 1113 00:56:40,493 --> 00:56:41,523 - I'm fine. - Ain't nobody 1114 00:56:41,565 --> 00:56:42,811 talkin' to you today? 1115 00:56:42,853 --> 00:56:44,742 - [Rodney] No, I don't know why, either. 1116 00:56:44,784 --> 00:56:46,163 I guess it's my snorkel. 1117 00:56:46,205 --> 00:56:48,175 (all laughing) 1118 00:56:48,217 --> 00:56:49,850 - I'm so proud to be here at 1119 00:56:49,892 --> 00:56:52,016 Ms. Julia's and Mr. Bee's weddin'. 1120 00:56:52,058 --> 00:56:53,331 - Me too. - Yeah, are ya? 1121 00:56:53,373 --> 00:56:54,272 - [Rodney] Yes, I am. 1122 00:56:54,314 --> 00:56:55,105 - Yeah. 1123 00:56:55,147 --> 00:56:57,161 You're doing a good job, Rod. 1124 00:56:57,203 --> 00:56:58,178 [Rodney] I'm having fun. Yeah? 1125 00:56:58,220 --> 00:56:59,341 I take... Bye. 1126 00:56:59,383 --> 00:57:02,591 (all laughing) - Bye, Rod. 1127 00:57:02,633 --> 00:57:04,299 - So ah... 1128 00:57:04,341 --> 00:57:07,007 This is just about it. 1129 00:57:07,049 --> 00:57:07,882 Right... 1130 00:57:09,340 --> 00:57:10,206 Now! 1131 00:57:10,248 --> 00:57:12,947 (tape recorder clicks) 1132 00:57:12,989 --> 00:57:14,981 (acoustic guitar strums a chord) 1133 00:57:28,638 --> 00:57:31,305 (Susanna laughs) 1134 00:57:47,155 --> 00:57:49,822 (both laughing) 1135 00:57:53,926 --> 00:57:55,292 (Rodney laughing) 1136 00:57:56,934 --> 00:58:01,526 (all laughing) 1137 00:58:01,568 --> 00:58:04,022 (Susanna sighs loudly) 1138 00:58:04,064 --> 00:58:04,855 (object clatters) 1139 00:58:04,897 --> 00:58:07,251 - Yeah, Susanna was a lot of work for any one person, 1140 00:58:07,293 --> 00:58:08,935 and Guy figured out early on 1141 00:58:08,977 --> 00:58:10,483 that he was never gonna be able to keep her, 1142 00:58:10,525 --> 00:58:12,967 unless somebody else held up some of the, 1143 00:58:13,009 --> 00:58:16,712 you know, took up some of the slack. 1144 00:58:16,754 --> 00:58:20,230 So he gave her room for those relationships. 1145 00:58:20,272 --> 00:58:21,590 (guitar strums "Dublin Blues" ) 1146 00:58:21,632 --> 00:58:22,827 - [Susanna] While we were apart, 1147 00:58:22,869 --> 00:58:24,796 Guy focused on his work, 1148 00:58:24,838 --> 00:58:26,640 and Travis joined him on the road. 1149 00:58:26,682 --> 00:58:29,101 (guitar strums "Dublin Blues") 1150 00:58:29,143 --> 00:58:31,875 - [Guy] Travis is a great bass player. 1151 00:58:31,917 --> 00:58:34,277 You know, he reads Count Basie charts. 1152 00:58:34,319 --> 00:58:37,652 He's a really well-schooled bass player. 1153 00:58:39,198 --> 00:58:40,904 So I thought, well, that'd be cool. 1154 00:58:40,946 --> 00:58:44,416 Get Travis to play, be my bass player. 1155 00:58:44,458 --> 00:58:46,399 I mean, we played together really good. 1156 00:58:46,441 --> 00:58:48,069 We sang together well. 1157 00:58:48,111 --> 00:58:49,911 - [Susanna] Asylum Records released 1158 00:58:49,953 --> 00:58:51,753 two successful albums. 1159 00:58:51,795 --> 00:58:55,741 Guy became a star in the new Americana genre. 1160 00:58:55,783 --> 00:58:57,496 (audience cheers and applauds) 1161 00:58:57,538 --> 00:58:58,849 - I'm gonna sing you a couple of new songs, 1162 00:58:58,891 --> 00:59:00,225 songs you never heard. 1163 00:59:00,267 --> 00:59:02,495 And it's called the "Dublin Blues". 1164 00:59:02,537 --> 00:59:05,787 (acoustic guitar strums "Dublin Blues") 1165 00:59:37,175 --> 00:59:41,195 ♪ Well, I wished I was in Austin ♪ 1166 00:59:41,237 --> 00:59:44,400 ♪ Mmmmm ♪ 1167 00:59:44,442 --> 00:59:46,945 ♪ In the Chili Parlor bar ♪ 1168 00:59:46,987 --> 00:59:49,732 ♪ Drinkin' Mad Dog Margaritas ♪ 1169 00:59:49,774 --> 00:59:54,629 ♪ And not carin' where you are ♪ 1170 00:59:54,671 --> 00:59:58,385 ♪ But here I sit in Dublin ♪ 1171 00:59:58,427 --> 01:00:01,553 ♪ Mmmmm ♪ 1172 01:00:01,595 --> 01:00:04,758 ♪ Just rollin' cigarettes ♪ 1173 01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,427 ♪ And holdin' back and chokin' back ♪ 1174 01:00:07,469 --> 01:00:11,633 ♪ The shakes with every breath ♪ 1175 01:00:11,675 --> 01:00:14,827 ♪ So forgive me all my anger ♪ 1176 01:00:14,869 --> 01:00:17,444 ♪ Forgive me all my faults ♪ 1177 01:00:17,486 --> 01:00:20,429 ♪ There's no need to forgive me ♪ 1178 01:00:20,471 --> 01:00:23,149 ♪ For thinkin' what I thought ♪ 1179 01:00:23,191 --> 01:00:25,829 ♪ I loved you from the git-go ♪ 1180 01:00:25,871 --> 01:00:28,864 ♪ And I'll love you till I die ♪ 1181 01:00:28,906 --> 01:00:31,944 ♪ I loved you on the Spanish steps ♪ 1182 01:00:31,986 --> 01:00:36,986 ♪ The day you said goodbye ♪ 1183 01:00:39,549 --> 01:00:43,531 ♪ I am just a poor boy ♪ 1184 01:00:43,573 --> 01:00:46,940 ♪ Mmmmm ♪ 1185 01:00:46,982 --> 01:00:49,591 ♪ Work's my middle name ♪ 1186 01:00:49,633 --> 01:00:52,290 ♪ If money was a reason ♪ 1187 01:00:52,332 --> 01:00:55,576 ♪ Well, I would not be the same ♪ 1188 01:00:55,618 --> 01:00:58,745 - This was a time when Americana music was thriving, 1189 01:00:58,787 --> 01:01:01,073 and there was an independent business 1190 01:01:01,115 --> 01:01:03,087 to support all that up and down the chain. 1191 01:01:03,129 --> 01:01:05,923 I mean, there were labels to record the music. 1192 01:01:05,965 --> 01:01:07,527 There were stores to sell it. 1193 01:01:07,569 --> 01:01:09,020 There were booking agents 1194 01:01:09,062 --> 01:01:11,969 and managers to place the artists in clubs. 1195 01:01:12,011 --> 01:01:15,501 And there were festivals to perform at. 1196 01:01:15,543 --> 01:01:17,788 All of this, making independent careers 1197 01:01:17,830 --> 01:01:21,466 for people, like Guy, very possible. 1198 01:01:21,508 --> 01:01:23,239 - [Susanna] In the spring of '95, 1199 01:01:23,281 --> 01:01:27,045 Dublin Blues shot to the top of the Americana chart. 1200 01:01:27,087 --> 01:01:29,619 It was Guy's first number one album. 1201 01:01:29,661 --> 01:01:33,049 He was the coolest songwriter in town. 1202 01:01:33,091 --> 01:01:34,883 The label threw a party to celebrate, 1203 01:01:34,925 --> 01:01:37,668 and all of Music Row showed up to honor Guy. 1204 01:01:37,710 --> 01:01:40,943 (guitar strums mellow "Stuff that Works") 1205 01:01:40,985 --> 01:01:43,770 I still loved Guy, and he loved me. 1206 01:01:43,812 --> 01:01:46,032 We'd been apart for six years, 1207 01:01:46,074 --> 01:01:47,877 but once we got back together, 1208 01:01:47,919 --> 01:01:51,721 we promised to stay together forever. 1209 01:01:51,763 --> 01:01:53,846 After all those years of struggle, 1210 01:01:53,888 --> 01:01:55,769 our dreams had come true. 1211 01:01:55,811 --> 01:01:57,174 ♪ I got a woman I love ♪ 1212 01:01:57,216 --> 01:01:58,544 ♪ She's crazy ♪ 1213 01:01:58,586 --> 01:02:00,043 ♪ And paints like God ♪ 1214 01:02:00,085 --> 01:02:01,086 - [Susanna] We were together, 1215 01:02:01,128 --> 01:02:03,569 and on top of the world ♪ She's got a playground ♪ 1216 01:02:03,611 --> 01:02:05,121 ♪ Sense of justice ♪ 1217 01:02:05,163 --> 01:02:08,614 ♪ She won't take odds ♪ 1218 01:02:08,656 --> 01:02:13,656 ♪ I got a tattoo with her name right through my soul ♪ 1219 01:02:14,906 --> 01:02:19,906 ♪ I think everything she touches turns to gold ♪ 1220 01:02:21,306 --> 01:02:24,416 ♪ Stuff that works ♪ 1221 01:02:24,458 --> 01:02:28,505 ♪ Stuff that holds up ♪ 1222 01:02:28,547 --> 01:02:33,547 ♪ The kind of stuff you don't hang on the wall ♪ 1223 01:02:34,159 --> 01:02:37,218 ♪ Stuff that's real ♪ 1224 01:02:37,260 --> 01:02:41,237 ♪ Stuff you feel ♪ 1225 01:02:41,279 --> 01:02:46,279 ♪ The kind of stuff you reach for when you fall ♪ 1226 01:02:46,945 --> 01:02:51,028 (mellow country music continues) 1227 01:03:04,690 --> 01:03:06,379 - [Susanna] With all the praise 1228 01:03:06,421 --> 01:03:08,470 surrounding Guy as a songwriter, 1229 01:03:08,512 --> 01:03:10,839 Rounder Records released a greatest hits album, 1230 01:03:10,881 --> 01:03:12,881 and called it Craftsman. Guy hated that title. 1231 01:03:14,941 --> 01:03:16,083 (Guy exhales loudly) 1232 01:03:16,125 --> 01:03:19,155 - [Guy] I should've put a stop to that Craftsman shit, 1233 01:03:19,197 --> 01:03:21,994 because I consider it poetry, and art, 1234 01:03:22,036 --> 01:03:24,359 but I just said, "Whatever you wanna do". 1235 01:03:24,401 --> 01:03:26,448 "You know, it's your deal." 1236 01:03:26,490 --> 01:03:27,715 "You're putting these records out." 1237 01:03:27,757 --> 01:03:31,494 I would never use that term applied to my writing. 1238 01:03:31,536 --> 01:03:33,786 I'm kind of offended by it. 1239 01:03:35,387 --> 01:03:36,744 - [Susanna] In the fall of '96, 1240 01:03:36,786 --> 01:03:39,675 Guy recorded his first live album. 1241 01:03:39,717 --> 01:03:41,254 He called it Keepers. 1242 01:03:41,296 --> 01:03:42,711 - [Guy] I've always wanted to do a live album, 1243 01:03:42,753 --> 01:03:47,503 and what I did, was to go back to those early albums, 1244 01:03:48,956 --> 01:03:51,873 and do live versions of those songs 1245 01:03:52,974 --> 01:03:55,571 that I do every night, 1246 01:03:55,613 --> 01:03:58,588 that I never particularly liked 1247 01:03:58,630 --> 01:04:00,943 the way they were recorded originally. 1248 01:04:00,985 --> 01:04:05,128 - Guy just gathered up his little studio buddies 1249 01:04:05,170 --> 01:04:07,446 that worked with him. 1250 01:04:07,488 --> 01:04:09,165 It was packed every night. 1251 01:04:09,207 --> 01:04:10,696 We sat in the middle of the room, 1252 01:04:10,738 --> 01:04:13,992 and Jerry Douglas would sit right here over my shoulder, 1253 01:04:14,034 --> 01:04:15,996 and the next night it would be Emmylou, 1254 01:04:16,038 --> 01:04:18,357 and the next night it would be somebody else, 1255 01:04:18,399 --> 01:04:20,758 but they were right on top of us. 1256 01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,142 And man, Guy was... 1257 01:04:23,184 --> 01:04:24,383 I still like that record 1258 01:04:24,425 --> 01:04:26,551 about as much as anything he ever did. 1259 01:04:26,593 --> 01:04:27,482 It just... 1260 01:04:27,524 --> 01:04:30,524 He was really having fun that night. 1261 01:04:32,305 --> 01:04:34,060 - [Alanna] How do you want the general public, 1262 01:04:34,102 --> 01:04:36,815 or people listening to this, to think of you? 1263 01:04:36,857 --> 01:04:38,104 - [Voice Of Guy] As a good songwriter, 1264 01:04:38,146 --> 01:04:41,136 and a good singer of my own songs. 1265 01:04:41,178 --> 01:04:42,747 I'd like everybody to think 1266 01:04:42,789 --> 01:04:44,688 I'm as good as I think I am, you know? 1267 01:04:44,730 --> 01:04:45,718 (Guy chuckles) 1268 01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,283 (indistinct chattering) 1269 01:04:48,325 --> 01:04:50,209 - I may be a lonely schizophrenic, 1270 01:04:50,251 --> 01:04:51,966 but at least I got each other. 1271 01:04:52,008 --> 01:04:53,593 (audience laughs) 1272 01:04:53,635 --> 01:04:56,377 - [Susanna] Guy and Townes went back on the road, 1273 01:04:56,419 --> 01:04:59,058 and sold out shows everywhere they went, 1274 01:04:59,100 --> 01:05:01,383 but Townes was in bad shape. 1275 01:05:01,425 --> 01:05:04,333 - Townes always said he wanted to come to my house to die, 1276 01:05:04,375 --> 01:05:05,625 so I sold it to him. 1277 01:05:05,667 --> 01:05:08,500 (audience laughs) 1278 01:05:13,822 --> 01:05:17,177 - [Guy] That's not water. 1279 01:05:19,212 --> 01:05:22,205 (audience laughs) 1280 01:05:22,247 --> 01:05:26,580 - But I do remember a few times with Guy and Townes. 1281 01:05:29,406 --> 01:05:31,412 Once in Santa Fe, particularly, 1282 01:05:31,454 --> 01:05:32,456 they were playing there. 1283 01:05:32,498 --> 01:05:34,020 Susanna wasn't there. (audience laughs) 1284 01:05:34,062 --> 01:05:35,628 - Hey, Guy, get me one too. 1285 01:05:35,670 --> 01:05:37,803 - Yeah, sure. (audience laughs) 1286 01:05:37,845 --> 01:05:40,720 - Townes was so, so drunk 1287 01:05:40,762 --> 01:05:43,106 that Jo Harvey and I kind of walked him 1288 01:05:43,148 --> 01:05:45,819 down these stairs, and back up the stairs, and whatever. 1289 01:05:45,861 --> 01:05:48,361 But Townes did a horrible set. 1290 01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:51,718 He maybe got through a couple of songs, 1291 01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:53,642 and told endless stories, 1292 01:05:53,684 --> 01:05:56,474 but barely could stay on the stool. 1293 01:05:56,516 --> 01:05:59,864 Then Guy played a really kind of pristine set, 1294 01:05:59,906 --> 01:06:01,974 a really beautiful set. 1295 01:06:02,016 --> 01:06:04,183 But I remember downstairs, 1296 01:06:05,284 --> 01:06:07,507 Townes was sitting down, 1297 01:06:07,549 --> 01:06:08,824 and Guy and I were kind of over 1298 01:06:08,866 --> 01:06:11,492 in Guy's area of the dressing area, 1299 01:06:11,534 --> 01:06:16,534 and there were about 15 people that were around Townes 1300 01:06:16,723 --> 01:06:21,723 shovin' dope and shovin' liquor at him. 1301 01:06:22,175 --> 01:06:25,202 And it was like vultures, you know? 1302 01:06:25,244 --> 01:06:27,932 And I remember, Guy and I both kind of watching it, 1303 01:06:27,974 --> 01:06:31,682 and he just said, "It happens everywhere we go", you know? 1304 01:06:31,724 --> 01:06:32,582 "Everywhere we go." 1305 01:06:32,624 --> 01:06:36,624 And it was like, you know, die for me, you know? 1306 01:06:37,564 --> 01:06:39,314 Die for me, you know? 1307 01:06:41,204 --> 01:06:42,985 - [Guy] You had to learn to tolerate Townes, 1308 01:06:43,027 --> 01:06:44,706 in some ways. 1309 01:06:44,748 --> 01:06:49,191 I mean, it all evolved around gettin' drunk, you know? 1310 01:06:49,233 --> 01:06:51,483 And just being as big a jerks, 1311 01:06:53,087 --> 01:06:55,162 as we could figure out how to do it, 1312 01:06:55,204 --> 01:06:56,635 you know? (Guy chuckles) 1313 01:06:56,677 --> 01:06:59,482 And I finally just got to the point 1314 01:06:59,524 --> 01:07:03,090 where I couldn't do that with him, 1315 01:07:03,132 --> 01:07:04,136 because I had Susanna, 1316 01:07:04,178 --> 01:07:06,866 and I had responsibilities, 1317 01:07:06,908 --> 01:07:10,059 a commitment with the publishing company, you know? 1318 01:07:10,101 --> 01:07:11,238 - I knew there was something. 1319 01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:12,158 - [Guy] That was just the way he was, 1320 01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,198 and there was nothing you could do about it. 1321 01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:15,273 (Townes speaks faintly) 1322 01:07:15,315 --> 01:07:17,973 (tape recorder crackles) 1323 01:08:55,303 --> 01:08:58,499 (tape recorder crackles) 1324 01:08:58,541 --> 01:09:01,215 (somber slide guitar "Black Haired Boy") 1325 01:09:01,257 --> 01:09:04,232 - [Susanna] This morning, 8:30 came and went. 1326 01:09:04,274 --> 01:09:06,197 The phone didn't ring. 1327 01:09:06,239 --> 01:09:09,822 Townes Van Zandt died on January 1st, 1997. 1328 01:09:11,838 --> 01:09:14,464 Part of me died with him. 1329 01:09:14,506 --> 01:09:17,482 Last night, Guy called from the studio. 1330 01:09:17,524 --> 01:09:20,993 He was crying, and said, "My heart hurts". 1331 01:09:21,035 --> 01:09:23,304 I asked if there was anything I could do for him? 1332 01:09:23,346 --> 01:09:25,679 Guy said, "Say it ain't so." 1333 01:09:27,136 --> 01:09:31,046 Townes' words were always gentle and loving, 1334 01:09:31,088 --> 01:09:34,606 but like in his songs, mighty words they were. 1335 01:09:34,648 --> 01:09:39,648 ♪ He's looking for a home that he's scared to find ♪ 1336 01:09:40,525 --> 01:09:45,525 ♪ Some lady beside him and he's drunk on white wine ♪ 1337 01:09:48,184 --> 01:09:53,184 ♪ Some lady beside him and he's drunk on white wine ♪ 1338 01:09:55,486 --> 01:09:57,123 - [Susanna] I had the honor and the privilege 1339 01:09:57,165 --> 01:10:00,748 of having this noble, wild soul in my life. 1340 01:10:01,719 --> 01:10:04,518 He called me his best friend and sister. 1341 01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:08,417 I called him my best friend and brother. 1342 01:10:08,459 --> 01:10:12,182 - When Townes died, Susanna called me, 1343 01:10:12,224 --> 01:10:15,557 so I went over, and we sat at the table, 1344 01:10:17,863 --> 01:10:19,780 and Guy had a bottle of 1345 01:10:20,891 --> 01:10:24,559 Johnnie Walker Red, I think, a quart, 1346 01:10:24,601 --> 01:10:26,193 and he was hurtin'. 1347 01:10:26,235 --> 01:10:30,200 You know, he was drinking whiskey, you know? 1348 01:10:30,242 --> 01:10:34,227 So when the pain is so deep, it's that moan. 1349 01:10:34,269 --> 01:10:37,519 It's that timeless moan pain, you know? 1350 01:10:41,514 --> 01:10:43,787 And Susanna was... 1351 01:10:43,829 --> 01:10:48,829 You know, that conversation was that, you know, it's over, 1352 01:10:48,879 --> 01:10:51,658 and she was just saying, "It's over", 1353 01:10:51,700 --> 01:10:55,653 and Guy was just trying to deal with the pain. 1354 01:10:55,695 --> 01:10:59,362 So Susanna surrendered something that night. 1355 01:11:00,739 --> 01:11:03,544 - [Guy] Oh, it really destroyed her, 1356 01:11:03,586 --> 01:11:05,892 and it did me too to a certain extent, 1357 01:11:05,934 --> 01:11:09,601 but she was very grievous at Townes's death. 1358 01:11:12,592 --> 01:11:15,592 (audience applauds) 1359 01:11:19,272 --> 01:11:20,566 - Mr. Rodney Crowell. 1360 01:11:20,608 --> 01:11:23,086 (Guy laughs) (audience applauds) 1361 01:11:23,128 --> 01:11:23,919 - Thank you. 1362 01:11:23,961 --> 01:11:24,973 Then shortly after that, 1363 01:11:25,015 --> 01:11:27,747 we did an Austin City Limits performance, 1364 01:11:27,789 --> 01:11:29,039 a bunch of us, 1365 01:11:29,081 --> 01:11:34,081 and that night, Susanna told me, "I have a pain in my back," 1366 01:11:34,804 --> 01:11:35,855 and from then on, 1367 01:11:35,897 --> 01:11:39,455 there was this mythical pain in Susanna's back, 1368 01:11:39,497 --> 01:11:42,641 that I, you know, as time went on, 1369 01:11:42,683 --> 01:11:45,353 I started to argue with her about the pain in her back, 1370 01:11:45,395 --> 01:11:46,919 and I started to not believe 1371 01:11:46,961 --> 01:11:48,543 that there was a pain in her back, 1372 01:11:48,585 --> 01:11:50,119 and I just started this thing about, 1373 01:11:50,161 --> 01:11:52,199 well, you know, a lot of people have had pain in their back, 1374 01:11:52,241 --> 01:11:54,847 and they get enough of it. 1375 01:11:54,889 --> 01:11:56,699 I know I can give you three or four people 1376 01:11:56,741 --> 01:12:01,609 who went and got surgery, and corrected the pain. 1377 01:12:01,651 --> 01:12:04,484 But Susanna wanted the pain pills. 1378 01:12:06,266 --> 01:12:07,589 - [Susanna] Dear Townes, 1379 01:12:07,631 --> 01:12:11,406 it's been 13 days since your soul was released. 1380 01:12:11,448 --> 01:12:14,014 And your spirit now flies. 1381 01:12:14,056 --> 01:12:16,080 Please visit me. 1382 01:12:16,122 --> 01:12:19,254 I taught you of angels, and you taught me of time, 1383 01:12:19,296 --> 01:12:21,955 so come to me now in my dreams. 1384 01:12:21,997 --> 01:12:23,648 Carry me with you. 1385 01:12:23,690 --> 01:12:26,502 Let love guide me, as it did you. 1386 01:12:26,544 --> 01:12:27,711 Love, Susanna. 1387 01:12:29,814 --> 01:12:31,814 - That back pain set in, 1388 01:12:32,778 --> 01:12:36,028 and she went to bed, and didn't get up. 1389 01:12:39,257 --> 01:12:41,674 - [Guy] I mean, it was tough. 1390 01:12:42,876 --> 01:12:46,709 It was just hard to see her dissolve into that 1391 01:12:47,891 --> 01:12:50,224 kind of existence, you know? 1392 01:12:51,303 --> 01:12:53,027 'Cause it was not productive. 1393 01:12:53,069 --> 01:12:54,704 It was not. 1394 01:12:54,746 --> 01:12:56,481 I don't know. 1395 01:12:56,523 --> 01:12:58,273 It was sad, very sad. 1396 01:13:00,937 --> 01:13:03,408 - You know, I tried everything, 1397 01:13:03,450 --> 01:13:05,228 but I was no match 1398 01:13:05,270 --> 01:13:09,554 for what she had decided she wanted to do, 1399 01:13:09,596 --> 01:13:13,596 which is, she wanted to die slowly, and she did, 1400 01:13:14,964 --> 01:13:16,634 and Guy paid a high price for that. 1401 01:13:16,676 --> 01:13:18,593 And I was angry at her. 1402 01:13:19,525 --> 01:13:20,699 She quit on me. 1403 01:13:20,741 --> 01:13:22,895 She quit on Emmy. 1404 01:13:22,937 --> 01:13:24,260 She quit on Guy. 1405 01:13:24,302 --> 01:13:26,668 She quit on herself, 1406 01:13:26,710 --> 01:13:29,377 and I was really angry about it, 1407 01:13:31,127 --> 01:13:35,200 and it brought out some of my worst traits. 1408 01:13:35,242 --> 01:13:37,499 Then, you know, there would be times when I'd think, 1409 01:13:37,541 --> 01:13:39,857 well I gotta go and sit next to her, 1410 01:13:39,899 --> 01:13:44,899 and breathe her cigarette smoke, and tell her I love her, 1411 01:13:45,133 --> 01:13:46,133 'cause I do. 1412 01:13:47,507 --> 01:13:52,155 Yeah, it's like, yeah, well, I wasn't getting anything back. 1413 01:13:52,197 --> 01:13:54,430 - [Susanna] I continued to spiral down 1414 01:13:54,472 --> 01:13:57,395 as Guy's star kept rising. 1415 01:13:57,437 --> 01:13:59,854 Keepers was nominated for a Grammy. 1416 01:13:59,896 --> 01:14:03,110 Guy recorded two more albums for Sugar Hill. 1417 01:14:03,152 --> 01:14:04,030 ASCAP gave him 1418 01:14:04,072 --> 01:14:06,790 a Lifetime Achievement Award for songwriting. 1419 01:14:06,832 --> 01:14:09,560 NSAI put him in the Songwriter Hall of Fame, 1420 01:14:09,602 --> 01:14:11,936 and then the Americana Music Association 1421 01:14:11,978 --> 01:14:14,441 gave him another Lifetime Achievement Award. 1422 01:14:14,483 --> 01:14:15,274 (audience applauds) 1423 01:14:15,316 --> 01:14:17,303 - Oh, thank you very much. 1424 01:14:17,345 --> 01:14:18,808 Thank you so much. 1425 01:14:18,850 --> 01:14:21,808 (acoustic mellow "Dublin Blues") 1426 01:14:21,850 --> 01:14:24,667 If I could write, if I knew how to 1427 01:14:26,393 --> 01:14:28,546 write the next Garth Brooks hit, 1428 01:14:28,588 --> 01:14:31,171 I would do it in a second, man. 1429 01:14:32,565 --> 01:14:34,626 I mean, really, wouldn't you? 1430 01:14:34,668 --> 01:14:37,426 But the whole thing is, which I've come to realize, 1431 01:14:37,468 --> 01:14:39,784 I can't do it, man. 1432 01:14:39,826 --> 01:14:41,734 But if I could, I would. 1433 01:14:41,776 --> 01:14:45,875 You know, I'm just cursed with artistic integrity. 1434 01:14:45,917 --> 01:14:49,800 ♪ I have been to Fort Worth ♪ 1435 01:14:49,842 --> 01:14:53,736 ♪ Mm-Hmm ♪ 1436 01:14:53,778 --> 01:14:57,003 ♪ And I have been to Spain ♪ 1437 01:14:57,045 --> 01:15:02,045 ♪ And I have been too proud to come in out of the rain ♪ 1438 01:15:04,943 --> 01:15:08,402 ♪ And I have seen the David ♪ 1439 01:15:08,444 --> 01:15:12,275 ♪ Mm-hmm ♪ 1440 01:15:12,317 --> 01:15:15,658 ♪ I've seen the Mona Lisa too ♪ 1441 01:15:15,700 --> 01:15:18,121 ♪ And I have heard Doc Watson ♪ 1442 01:15:18,163 --> 01:15:21,572 ♪ Play Columbus Stockade Blues ♪ 1443 01:15:21,614 --> 01:15:25,124 ♪ So forgive me all my anger ♪ 1444 01:15:25,166 --> 01:15:27,889 ♪ Forgive me all my faults ♪ 1445 01:15:27,931 --> 01:15:30,995 ♪ There's no need to forgive me ♪ 1446 01:15:31,037 --> 01:15:33,870 ♪ For thinkin' what I thought ♪ 1447 01:15:33,912 --> 01:15:37,146 ♪ I loved you from the get-go ♪ 1448 01:15:37,188 --> 01:15:40,265 ♪ And I'll love you till I die ♪ 1449 01:15:40,307 --> 01:15:43,709 ♪ I loved you on the Spanish steps ♪ 1450 01:15:43,751 --> 01:15:48,751 ♪ The day you said goodbye ♪ 1451 01:15:52,002 --> 01:15:56,080 ♪ Well, I wished I was in Austin ♪ 1452 01:15:56,122 --> 01:15:59,789 ♪ Mm-Hmm ♪ 1453 01:15:59,831 --> 01:16:02,514 ♪ In a Chili Parlor bar ♪ 1454 01:16:02,556 --> 01:16:06,265 ♪ Drinkin' Mad Dog Margaritas ♪ 1455 01:16:06,307 --> 01:16:10,224 ♪ And not carin' where you are ♪ 1456 01:16:12,387 --> 01:16:16,304 (audience cheers and applauds) 1457 01:16:17,912 --> 01:16:22,279 - [Susanna] In 2006, Guy was diagnosed with lymphoma. 1458 01:16:22,321 --> 01:16:25,500 He started chemotherapy, lost his hair, 1459 01:16:25,542 --> 01:16:27,689 and was worried about making money. 1460 01:16:27,731 --> 01:16:31,799 But we hung in there, and he continued to work. 1461 01:16:31,841 --> 01:16:34,044 Guy signed with Dualtone Records 1462 01:16:34,086 --> 01:16:36,669 and recorded Workbench Songs. 1463 01:16:36,711 --> 01:16:41,711 Three years later, he released Somedays the Song Writes You. 1464 01:16:41,833 --> 01:16:45,094 Both albums were nominated for GRAMMYS. 1465 01:16:45,136 --> 01:16:48,803 (guitar strums mellow "My Favorite Picture of You") 1466 01:16:49,726 --> 01:16:51,917 Guy wrote a new song for me. 1467 01:16:51,959 --> 01:16:54,668 It's the best song he ever wrote for me. 1468 01:16:54,710 --> 01:16:57,429 He would bring his guitar into the bedroom every day, 1469 01:16:57,471 --> 01:16:59,767 sit on the bed, and play it. 1470 01:16:59,809 --> 01:17:00,642 - Yeah, 1471 01:17:02,325 --> 01:17:06,733 I always had this little Polaroid. 1472 01:17:07,804 --> 01:17:10,565 It was always my favorite picture of Susanna, 1473 01:17:10,607 --> 01:17:12,987 and it was just, she was, 1474 01:17:13,029 --> 01:17:17,480 we were in front of John Lomax's house over on 21st. 1475 01:17:17,522 --> 01:17:19,742 It was cold and wet. 1476 01:17:19,784 --> 01:17:22,375 And we'd been in there, 1477 01:17:22,417 --> 01:17:26,834 and Townes and I were just drunk, and bein' assholes. 1478 01:17:28,088 --> 01:17:30,034 You know, she finally had enough, 1479 01:17:30,076 --> 01:17:32,085 and she just got up and left, 1480 01:17:32,127 --> 01:17:35,622 put on her coat, and walked outside. 1481 01:17:35,664 --> 01:17:38,417 I mean, like I said, she didn't take a bad picture, 1482 01:17:38,459 --> 01:17:39,974 but that one, 1483 01:17:40,016 --> 01:17:43,266 somehow it captured the essence of her. 1484 01:17:44,611 --> 01:17:45,944 That is Susanna. 1485 01:17:46,936 --> 01:17:49,833 She had this look on her face 1486 01:17:49,875 --> 01:17:51,323 I've seen a million times, 1487 01:17:51,365 --> 01:17:56,165 but that day was, she had had enough. 1488 01:18:02,614 --> 01:18:05,994 ♪ My favorite picture of you ♪ 1489 01:18:06,036 --> 01:18:11,036 ♪ Is the one where your wings are showing ♪ 1490 01:18:14,175 --> 01:18:17,282 ♪ Oh, your arms are crossed ♪ 1491 01:18:17,324 --> 01:18:19,679 ♪ Your fists are clenched ♪ 1492 01:18:19,721 --> 01:18:24,721 ♪ Not gone but going ♪ 1493 01:18:25,261 --> 01:18:28,449 ♪ Oh, a stand-up angel ♪ 1494 01:18:28,491 --> 01:18:31,385 ♪ Who won't back down ♪ 1495 01:18:31,427 --> 01:18:36,427 ♪ Nobody's fool and nobody's clown ♪ 1496 01:18:36,526 --> 01:18:41,526 ♪ You were smarter than that ♪ 1497 01:18:41,776 --> 01:18:45,261 ♪ My favorite picture of you ♪ 1498 01:18:45,303 --> 01:18:50,303 ♪ Is one where it hasn't rained yet ♪ 1499 01:18:53,246 --> 01:18:58,246 ♪ Oh, and as I recall there came a winter squall ♪ 1500 01:18:58,498 --> 01:19:03,498 ♪ And we got soaking wet ♪ 1501 01:19:04,711 --> 01:19:09,711 ♪ A thousand words in the blink of an eye ♪ 1502 01:19:10,291 --> 01:19:15,291 ♪ The camera loves you and so do I ♪ 1503 01:19:16,236 --> 01:19:20,674 ♪ Click ♪ 1504 01:19:20,716 --> 01:19:24,227 ♪ My favorite picture of you ♪ 1505 01:19:24,269 --> 01:19:29,269 ♪ Is one where you're staring straight into the lens ♪ 1506 01:19:38,363 --> 01:19:42,789 - Life without Susanna started when Townes Van Zandt died. 1507 01:19:42,831 --> 01:19:45,954 From that day on, she hid out under cover. 1508 01:19:45,996 --> 01:19:49,229 Her Percocets and cigarette along for the ride. 1509 01:19:49,271 --> 01:19:52,640 She made her bed, inside her head a shelter. 1510 01:19:52,682 --> 01:19:55,729 Each new day, a sliver through the blinds. 1511 01:19:55,771 --> 01:19:58,833 I tried tough love, tenderness, and anger, 1512 01:19:58,875 --> 01:20:02,958 but nothing pierced the fortress inside her mind. 1513 01:20:04,670 --> 01:20:05,503 She won. 1514 01:20:06,889 --> 01:20:08,473 She got the last word. 1515 01:20:09,456 --> 01:20:14,414 (guitar strums gentle "My Favorite Picture of You") 1516 01:20:14,456 --> 01:20:16,599 - [Guy] I miss her sense of humor, 1517 01:20:16,641 --> 01:20:18,537 and her intelligence, 1518 01:20:18,579 --> 01:20:20,726 just how talented she was. 1519 01:20:20,768 --> 01:20:22,423 She could paint. 1520 01:20:22,465 --> 01:20:23,798 She could write. 1521 01:20:24,690 --> 01:20:27,523 Good lord, what a beautiful woman. 1522 01:20:29,887 --> 01:20:30,720 Smart. 1523 01:20:36,180 --> 01:20:40,463 But she wouldn't clean her fucking brushes. 1524 01:20:40,505 --> 01:20:41,338 (Guy chuckles) 1525 01:20:47,295 --> 01:20:50,628 It's true, it was a mythical love story. 1526 01:20:52,487 --> 01:20:54,857 I wouldn't disabuse anyone of that. 1527 01:20:54,899 --> 01:20:55,732 It's just, 1528 01:20:57,899 --> 01:21:01,232 you had to be there to get it, you know? 1529 01:21:05,145 --> 01:21:06,493 (lighter flicks) 1530 01:21:06,535 --> 01:21:10,563 (guitar strums melancholy "My Favorite Picture of You") 1531 01:21:10,605 --> 01:21:13,355 - It was kind of a slow collapse. 1532 01:21:14,285 --> 01:21:16,540 Well, he and Verlon came through. 1533 01:21:16,582 --> 01:21:18,954 They were so tired, 1534 01:21:18,996 --> 01:21:21,986 and Guy was, he could barely walk. 1535 01:21:22,028 --> 01:21:25,707 They just slept for three days, and then left, 1536 01:21:25,749 --> 01:21:29,338 and it was the first time that I remember it 1537 01:21:29,380 --> 01:21:33,102 just being really telling that they were, 1538 01:21:33,144 --> 01:21:35,811 it was a difficult run for them. 1539 01:21:36,699 --> 01:21:39,823 - You know, I kept wantin' Guy to quit 1540 01:21:39,865 --> 01:21:41,624 long before he did. 1541 01:21:41,666 --> 01:21:43,353 And now, lookin' back on it, 1542 01:21:43,395 --> 01:21:45,728 I realize, that was probably 1543 01:21:46,681 --> 01:21:48,110 stupid of me, 1544 01:21:48,152 --> 01:21:51,390 because when a man quits, he's done. 1545 01:21:51,432 --> 01:21:54,099 And so Guy was stayin' out there 1546 01:21:55,529 --> 01:21:57,926 as long as he could possibly stay out there, 1547 01:21:57,968 --> 01:22:01,430 and he was havin' a real hard time playing, 1548 01:22:01,472 --> 01:22:04,389 and a pretty hard time singing too. 1549 01:22:05,628 --> 01:22:09,246 They finally sent us on a 12 day run. 1550 01:22:09,288 --> 01:22:11,431 It was all across Texas. 1551 01:22:11,473 --> 01:22:16,473 We started at Abilene, Fort Worth, Dallas, San Antonio. 1552 01:22:16,687 --> 01:22:19,122 We wound up in Beaumont, 1553 01:22:19,164 --> 01:22:20,164 and I knew, 1554 01:22:21,239 --> 01:22:23,154 and I believe that he knew too, 1555 01:22:23,196 --> 01:22:25,863 that it just, it couldn't go on. 1556 01:22:27,358 --> 01:22:29,137 We got in the car the next morning, 1557 01:22:29,179 --> 01:22:32,218 and drove back to Nashville. 1558 01:22:32,260 --> 01:22:36,549 You know, a pretty quiet ride, nothin' much said. 1559 01:22:36,591 --> 01:22:38,424 Got back to the house, 1560 01:22:39,773 --> 01:22:42,278 he picked up the phone right then and there, 1561 01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:45,271 and he called our booking agent, and he said, 1562 01:22:45,313 --> 01:22:47,693 "Keith, don't book me nothing else". 1563 01:22:47,735 --> 01:22:49,016 "I'm done." 1564 01:22:49,058 --> 01:22:50,416 Click. 1565 01:22:50,458 --> 01:22:52,541 And Guy just leaned back, 1566 01:22:53,808 --> 01:22:55,616 and he started rolling a cigarette, 1567 01:22:55,658 --> 01:22:59,571 and he goes, "Let's recap." 1568 01:22:59,613 --> 01:23:02,622 And I said, "What do you mean?" 1569 01:23:02,664 --> 01:23:06,636 We just started talking about, from day one, 1570 01:23:06,678 --> 01:23:10,595 all the stuff we did, and the places we'd gone. 1571 01:23:12,352 --> 01:23:16,164 So I walked out of there feeling okay about it, you know? 1572 01:23:16,206 --> 01:23:19,873 (guitar strums melancholy "My Favorite Picture of You") 1573 01:23:41,879 --> 01:23:45,730 - [Guy] It means more to me now than I thought it would. 1574 01:23:45,772 --> 01:23:49,939 I mean, I thought I would just blow this shit off. 1575 01:23:50,942 --> 01:23:52,942 It was kind of ironic, you know? 1576 01:23:52,984 --> 01:23:54,984 To do this for 40 years, 1577 01:23:55,859 --> 01:24:00,526 finally win, I guess, the best award you can get for it, 1578 01:24:02,015 --> 01:24:05,598 and not be able to do it anymore, you know? 1579 01:24:07,671 --> 01:24:10,886 (guitar strums gentle "Old Friends") 1580 01:24:10,928 --> 01:24:14,379 - He was working on this song about crows. 1581 01:24:14,421 --> 01:24:16,662 (crows cawing) 1582 01:24:16,704 --> 01:24:20,263 I remember he had a line I loved that was, 1583 01:24:20,305 --> 01:24:21,322 "They were so black, 1584 01:24:21,364 --> 01:24:25,106 you could only see 'em at night", you know? 1585 01:24:25,148 --> 01:24:27,065 He was really, I think, 1586 01:24:28,008 --> 01:24:32,950 talking about his own vulnerability at that particular time. 1587 01:24:32,992 --> 01:24:36,308 I called Rodney, and Rodney said, 1588 01:24:36,350 --> 01:24:38,658 "Well, if you're coming, you better come now". 1589 01:24:38,700 --> 01:24:40,033 "You know, now." 1590 01:24:43,793 --> 01:24:46,834 - I'd been over there, I guess, a couple of days, 1591 01:24:46,876 --> 01:24:48,408 pretty much all day long, 1592 01:24:48,450 --> 01:24:50,311 and people were coming by, 1593 01:24:50,353 --> 01:24:54,074 and people gathered around his bed, and sang songs. 1594 01:24:54,116 --> 01:24:56,199 It was a beautiful thing. 1595 01:24:58,579 --> 01:25:02,159 Everything had sort of wound down, and people had gone home, 1596 01:25:02,201 --> 01:25:06,413 and I felt like this might be it, you know? 1597 01:25:06,455 --> 01:25:08,834 I decided to stay there, too, all night. 1598 01:25:08,876 --> 01:25:12,153 I just was gonna sit in the recliner, and just hang out. 1599 01:25:12,195 --> 01:25:17,028 And it felt right that I was there, and it was a blessing. 1600 01:25:18,387 --> 01:25:19,844 I'm glad I was. 1601 01:25:19,886 --> 01:25:24,465 He finally just kinda took a big old, deep breath, 1602 01:25:24,507 --> 01:25:27,274 and I knew he was gone. 1603 01:25:27,316 --> 01:25:30,138 (guitar strums gentle "Old Friends") 1604 01:25:36,626 --> 01:25:40,112 The subject came up about Guy's ashes, 1605 01:25:40,154 --> 01:25:41,458 and I had heard about this, 1606 01:25:41,500 --> 01:25:44,703 but I didn't know if it was for real, 1607 01:25:44,745 --> 01:25:48,927 that there had been some sort of pact between 1608 01:25:48,969 --> 01:25:52,508 Guy and our dear old buddy, Terry Allen. 1609 01:25:52,550 --> 01:25:53,855 He said, "I want Terry 1610 01:25:53,897 --> 01:25:57,120 to put me into one of his sculptures." 1611 01:25:57,162 --> 01:25:59,823 And I thought, you know, 1612 01:25:59,865 --> 01:26:01,820 I thought maybe that was a joke. 1613 01:26:01,862 --> 01:26:03,822 But earlier that morning, 1614 01:26:03,864 --> 01:26:07,056 I talked to Terry on the phone after Guy passed, 1615 01:26:07,098 --> 01:26:11,606 and he said, "No, it ain't a joke, and it's for real." 1616 01:26:11,648 --> 01:26:14,628 - You know, I never took that totally serious. 1617 01:26:14,670 --> 01:26:16,741 My response, ultimately, was 1618 01:26:16,783 --> 01:26:19,738 "Okay, I'm gonna cast a goat. 1619 01:26:19,780 --> 01:26:21,588 I'm gonna do a bronze goat, 1620 01:26:21,630 --> 01:26:23,531 and I'm gonna take your ashes, 1621 01:26:23,573 --> 01:26:26,106 and I'm gonna shove it up its ass." 1622 01:26:26,148 --> 01:26:30,351 And Guy looked at me, and went, "Perfect!" 1623 01:26:30,393 --> 01:26:31,323 (Terry laughs) Yeah. 1624 01:26:31,365 --> 01:26:35,807 - And then we got a call, just almost instantly, 1625 01:26:35,849 --> 01:26:39,928 that everybody was gonna come out to our house. 1626 01:26:39,970 --> 01:26:43,313 - I said, "If it's okay, if it's legal, 1627 01:26:43,355 --> 01:26:46,025 and if it's okay with everybody, 1628 01:26:46,067 --> 01:26:49,855 I'd like to just take Guy out there myself." 1629 01:26:49,897 --> 01:26:51,430 I said, "I'll put him in the car, 1630 01:26:51,472 --> 01:26:53,900 and it'll be our final road trip." 1631 01:26:53,942 --> 01:26:56,279 (guitar strums mellow "Dublin Blues") 1632 01:26:56,321 --> 01:26:57,405 The next thing you know, 1633 01:26:57,447 --> 01:26:59,802 there's 8 or 10 of us on a tour bus, 1634 01:26:59,844 --> 01:27:04,094 and those of us couldn't ride the bus met us there. 1635 01:27:04,985 --> 01:27:08,218 - Everybody just stopped their lives, 1636 01:27:08,260 --> 01:27:10,260 and headed for Santa Fe. 1637 01:27:11,926 --> 01:27:15,259 (indistinct chattering) 1638 01:27:16,715 --> 01:27:18,917 - [Steve] You know, we took Guy's ashes there, 1639 01:27:18,959 --> 01:27:22,056 and we got there at sunset the next day, 1640 01:27:22,098 --> 01:27:24,307 and it was most beautiful land-based sunset I've ever seen. 1641 01:27:24,349 --> 01:27:27,016 I give Guy full credit for that. 1642 01:27:28,339 --> 01:27:32,898 - We set up a little makeshift altar in our living room, 1643 01:27:32,940 --> 01:27:36,107 and put the ashes there with a candle. 1644 01:27:38,624 --> 01:27:41,603 People just ended up going into the living room, 1645 01:27:41,645 --> 01:27:45,066 and just standing, looking at Guy. 1646 01:27:45,108 --> 01:27:48,525 - And nobody said a word for a long time, 1647 01:27:49,531 --> 01:27:51,948 and then, just one at a time, 1648 01:27:53,789 --> 01:27:56,291 everyone started telling some wonderful story 1649 01:27:56,333 --> 01:27:59,097 about their experiences with Guy. 1650 01:27:59,139 --> 01:28:01,382 - Steve Earle, he went and got his guitar, and said, 1651 01:28:01,424 --> 01:28:04,260 "Let's all do a song that Guy would want us to sing." 1652 01:28:04,302 --> 01:28:06,431 People took turns singing songs. 1653 01:28:06,473 --> 01:28:09,157 It was just one of those nights, you know? 1654 01:28:09,199 --> 01:28:10,720 And then everybody left, 1655 01:28:10,762 --> 01:28:13,410 and went back, back into their lives. 1656 01:28:13,452 --> 01:28:17,702 And there I was, standing with the soon-to-be goat. 1657 01:28:18,927 --> 01:28:20,018 (Terry laughs) 1658 01:28:20,060 --> 01:28:23,727 (gentle music "Desperados Waiting for a Train") 1659 01:28:24,628 --> 01:28:27,846 - His command of the language is universal. 1660 01:28:27,888 --> 01:28:30,807 It just happens to be thematically specific, 1661 01:28:30,849 --> 01:28:32,937 most of the time, to Texas. 1662 01:28:32,979 --> 01:28:35,646 Texans really love their heroes, 1663 01:28:36,954 --> 01:28:40,082 and Guy is a true-blue Texas hero. 1664 01:28:40,124 --> 01:28:41,690 ♪ Run his fingers through 70 years ♪ 1665 01:28:41,732 --> 01:28:43,090 - He was a powerful figure 1666 01:28:43,132 --> 01:28:44,959 with an enormous presence, 1667 01:28:45,001 --> 01:28:47,651 but all that larger than life bigness 1668 01:28:47,693 --> 01:28:52,576 actually came wrapped in a man of quiet grace and elegance. 1669 01:28:52,618 --> 01:28:57,096 - He had this eye for detail, and this memory for detail. 1670 01:28:57,138 --> 01:28:58,206 I mean, I don't think it'll matter 1671 01:28:58,248 --> 01:29:01,110 whether it's set to music or whether it's not. 1672 01:29:01,152 --> 01:29:03,226 Guy's best songs transcend being songs, 1673 01:29:03,268 --> 01:29:04,700 that they could have been novels, 1674 01:29:04,742 --> 01:29:06,896 could have been short stories. 1675 01:29:06,938 --> 01:29:08,461 - I'm pretty sure they'll say, 1676 01:29:08,503 --> 01:29:10,250 he's one, of the greatest 1677 01:29:10,292 --> 01:29:13,565 American songwriters that ever lived. 1678 01:29:13,607 --> 01:29:17,940 - A legacy is already in stone, even before he left, 1679 01:29:18,787 --> 01:29:21,957 and I don't know that it's changed. 1680 01:29:21,999 --> 01:29:25,582 To me, it was every bit as much of a legacy 1681 01:29:28,304 --> 01:29:32,221 in the mid-'70s, as it was 40 plus years later. 1682 01:29:33,730 --> 01:29:38,719 All those stories, all those characters, all those things, 1683 01:29:38,761 --> 01:29:40,181 they were powerful to me, 1684 01:29:40,223 --> 01:29:42,473 because they felt familiar. 1685 01:29:43,877 --> 01:29:48,153 - You still feel like he's with us all the time. 1686 01:29:48,195 --> 01:29:50,834 He seems to be present, 1687 01:29:50,876 --> 01:29:55,184 and you don't know if he's an angel, or a ghost. 1688 01:29:55,226 --> 01:29:57,744 You know, it's just that song of his, 1689 01:29:57,786 --> 01:30:01,165 the stuff that's real, stuff you feel, 1690 01:30:01,207 --> 01:30:03,376 stuff that you can count on, 1691 01:30:03,418 --> 01:30:06,475 you know, when you're down, or when you fall. 1692 01:30:06,517 --> 01:30:11,517 ♪ One day I looked up and he's pushin' 80 ♪ 1693 01:30:13,198 --> 01:30:18,198 ♪ And there was brown tobacco stains all down his chin ♪ 1694 01:30:20,510 --> 01:30:25,510 ♪ To me he's one of the heroes of this country ♪ 1695 01:30:27,130 --> 01:30:32,130 ♪ So why's he all dressed up like them old men ♪ 1696 01:30:33,891 --> 01:30:38,891 ♪ Drinkin' beer and playin' moon and 42 ♪ 1697 01:30:39,033 --> 01:30:44,033 ♪ Just like a desperado waiting for a train ♪ 1698 01:30:45,709 --> 01:30:50,292 ♪ Like desperados waiting for a train ♪ 1699 01:30:57,741 --> 01:31:00,324 (crows cawing) 1700 01:31:04,025 --> 01:31:06,051 (wind whips) 1701 01:31:06,093 --> 01:31:08,832 (chimes tinkle) 1702 01:31:08,874 --> 01:31:12,374 (wind continues whipping) 1703 01:31:16,029 --> 01:31:18,612 (crows cawing) 1704 01:31:22,401 --> 01:31:25,414 (chimes tinkle) 1705 01:31:25,456 --> 01:31:27,872 (crows continue cawing) 1706 01:31:31,147 --> 01:31:34,463 (one crow caws loudly) 1707 01:31:35,418 --> 01:31:38,584 (chimes tinkling) 1708 01:31:38,626 --> 01:31:42,076 (wind continues to whip) 1709 01:31:42,118 --> 01:31:47,067 (crows cawing) 1710 01:31:48,860 --> 01:31:52,110 (upbeat music "Caw Caw Blues") 1711 01:31:59,989 --> 01:32:03,005 ♪ Heckle and Jeckle built a barbed wire nest ♪ 1712 01:32:03,047 --> 01:32:05,020 (crows cawing) 1713 01:32:05,062 --> 01:32:10,062 ♪ In a windmill derrick way out west ♪ 1714 01:32:11,228 --> 01:32:16,228 ♪ Scooping up scraps down the long fence line ♪ 1715 01:32:16,394 --> 01:32:21,394 ♪ It was a work of art, the only one of its kind ♪ 1716 01:32:22,013 --> 01:32:27,013 ♪ Way out around Lubbock as the John Crow flies ♪ 1717 01:32:27,829 --> 01:32:32,829 ♪ Ole Heckle and Jeckle built a sky high rise ♪ 1718 01:32:33,653 --> 01:32:38,653 ♪ Heckle and Jeckle, so cold jet black ♪ 1719 01:32:39,034 --> 01:32:42,254 ♪ You could see 'em at night in the cactus Jack ♪ 1720 01:32:42,296 --> 01:32:44,830 ♪ Murder of crows, murder of crows ♪ 1721 01:32:44,872 --> 01:32:47,611 ♪ Two old birds make a murder of crows ♪ 1722 01:32:47,653 --> 01:32:50,456 ♪ And everyone knows that anything goes ♪ 1723 01:32:50,498 --> 01:32:53,358 ♪ Ol' Heckle and Jeckle make a murder of crows ♪ 1724 01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:57,483 (upbeat country music continues) 1725 01:33:04,589 --> 01:33:07,319 ♪ Catching baby rattlesnakes two-by-two ♪ 1726 01:33:07,361 --> 01:33:12,361 ♪ We're gonna make a little pot of that rattlesnake stew ♪ 1727 01:33:15,681 --> 01:33:20,681 ♪ Little baby rattlesnakes better watch out ♪ 1728 01:33:20,985 --> 01:33:24,154 ♪ Ol' Heckle and Jeckle steady out and about ♪ 1729 01:33:24,196 --> 01:33:26,668 ♪ Murder of crows, murder of crows ♪ 1730 01:33:26,710 --> 01:33:29,450 ♪ Two old birds make a murder of crows ♪ 1731 01:33:29,492 --> 01:33:32,079 ♪ Everyone knows that anything goes ♪ 1732 01:33:32,121 --> 01:33:35,070 ♪ Ol' Heckle and Jeckle make a murder of crows ♪ 1733 01:33:35,112 --> 01:33:39,195 (upbeat country music continues) 1734 01:33:57,284 --> 01:34:02,284 ♪ Scarecrow standing in a tall corn patch ♪ 1735 01:34:02,982 --> 01:34:07,982 ♪ Heckle and Jeckle got nary a scratch ♪ 1736 01:34:08,582 --> 01:34:13,582 ♪ Eating like kings nearly all day long ♪ 1737 01:34:14,176 --> 01:34:17,160 ♪ Dodging that buckshot, singing that song ♪ 1738 01:34:17,202 --> 01:34:19,711 ♪ Caw Caw Blues, Caw Caw Blues ♪ 1739 01:34:19,753 --> 01:34:22,482 ♪ Ten'll get you twenty if you're counting by twos ♪ 1740 01:34:22,524 --> 01:34:25,282 ♪ Barbed wire palace full of magpie chicks ♪ 1741 01:34:25,324 --> 01:34:28,315 ♪ Old Heckle and Jeckle steady getting their kicks ♪ 1742 01:34:28,357 --> 01:34:30,914 ♪ Murder of crows, murder of crows ♪ 1743 01:34:30,956 --> 01:34:33,691 ♪ Two old birds'll make a murder of crows ♪ 1744 01:34:33,733 --> 01:34:36,434 ♪ Everyone knows that anything goes ♪ 1745 01:34:36,476 --> 01:34:39,362 ♪ Ol' Heckle and Jeckle make a murder of crows ♪ 1746 01:34:39,404 --> 01:34:40,004 ♪ Oh ♪ 1747 01:34:45,023 --> 01:34:45,623 ♪ Oh ♪ 1748 01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:55,600 ♪ Daddy's in the kitchen in his everyday shoes ♪ 1749 01:34:56,174 --> 01:35:01,007 ♪ Sittin' down singing them Caw Caw Blues ♪